A shotgun that is in my home for the sole purpose of defense is a...home defense shotgun

The rest are just details

this, in spades

My friend if you ever even dream of having to actually use a gun in self defense and accidently kill someone while shooting to only stop them,, you better hope no prosecutor ever, ever, ever,, finds stuff like this floating around that you have written. this is your azz hanging out right here.

I have a PMR30, it is stupid fun!
but, I wouldn't use it for a self defense gun, has a LOT of muzzle flash, even in bright sun...

would kill your nigh vision in low light

18.5 inch barrel. 20 gauge pump. Light. I always try to employ the KISS method.

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid


JWP58, thanks for posting that vid.

People break in usualy when they think nobody is home I would bet it would deter most if not all burglars just to know someone is home even without a gun.

If it is a true home defense gun then why the heck no birdshot? I cant get far enough away in my house that some #8's wouldnt turn a person into hamburger. We are talking home defense, not when the zombies invade.

I agree

Also in Texas you are covered by the Castle Law. It protects the home owner from being sued in civil court.

Also i use a Mossberg 590 20" barrel, 8 2 3/4 rnds 00 Buck with 5 rnds in a side saddle. Need to get me a forarm with rail to mount my sure fire light.

Birdshot is for birds. #8's aren't going to penetrate enough to hit vitals and guarantee stopping the threat. How many times have you shot at a dove and have to pop his head because he is still running around on the ground and flapping when you go to pick him up?

Ok I did not know that, maybe a glock 17 with HST's then. That's a heavy rig though.

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How about a Keltec sub 2000 in .40 S&W?

Exactly. Birdshot is for birds. I would say #4buckshot on up is fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBFS3HWoIU

Take a measurement of the average distance across a room in your house or even an average hallway. Now once you have this, pattern a #8 shot at this distance. You will find that pattern is not that big and I assure you it will kill stone dead at said distance.

But for the record I shoot #6 high brass out of mine!

Most of the birds that I have shot at similar distances to what I would shoot in my home hence "HOME DEFENSE" I dont even pick up because there is nothing but wings and tail feathers. In your house you are going to be shooting maybe 5 to a top end of 10 yards.. I think bird shot will be devastating.

You go ahead and keep thinking that. Maybe you should get a "judge" and use some .410 7.5's....should be devastating...lol

A dog and what ever is closest. "Watch em close boy so he don't get shot. Don't want to mess up the wall or wake up momma. Good boooyy!"

You ever shot a shotgun? Up close they are nasty! At ranges inside a house it will tear some stuff up.

Agree...those #8s do not penetrate reliably enough to guarantee a stop.

Check this link out and see for yourself.
Box O' Truth #22

Birdshot, even inside a house, will make a nasty looking wound, but it is shallow. It will not penetrate to hit vitals. It will not be a guaranteed stop, where the same center of mass hit with #4 buckshot or larger is going to stop the threat.

Thanks for that link. It was eye opening.

The point is that it doesn't penetrate far enough to actually stop someone. We have a lot of meth heads around these days. If one of them breaks into your house to steal some easy things to sell and is twitching because they're 2-3 hours out from under their last hit wearing off, they're not really as likely to experience pain in the same way a stone cold sober robber would.If, God forbid, I ever get into a situation where I have to defend my family with deadly force, I want the deadliest mo fo'ing force I can put my hands on. If they sold depleted uranium highly radioactive super flesh eating condensed panther urine high explosive heat seeking hippie hair grease 12 ga C4 rounds, that's what my bedside shotty would be loaded with. Until that time, it'll be #4 buck...

12ga...00.... up close it will be a freight train

You are welcome. He has some cool tests on there. Fun to poke around that site.

redchevy

About 14 years ago we responded to a call where a 17 year old kid was shot with a 12 ga 2 3/4 field load square in the middle of the chest from a distance of 18 ft. When we arrived he was sitting on the couch and on the phone with his girlfriend. EMS got there about 30 seconds after we did and started treating him, while his chest did look like hamburger it was later learned that no pellets hit vitals. He was wearing a Levi jacket and a t-shirt when shot.
As a comparison I had a fried drop an old model Ruger Bearcat 22, it went off and sent a bullet through his rib, though his left lung, his left shoulder blade out his back and stuck in the wall.

Maybe the Rhodesian Bolo rounds might be a good home defense round?