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There are no wolves in East Texas #3023505 02/17/12 10:25 PM
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Despite my best efforts, I've never been able to convince some of the locals there are no wolves in East Texas. Granted, there are plenty of coyotes, including some larger ones, that someone who has never seen a wolf, might mistake as one. But the fact is, a full-grown wolf can easily tip the scales at three times (150 pounds) that of a full-grown coyote.

I recently happened across a rare photo in the current issue of Deer and Deer Hunting magazine that shows a grey wolf staring down a coyote. And perhaps the best way to describe it, is that the coyote appears much like a red fox standing near a German Shepard.



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Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: Texas Dan] #3023725 02/18/12 12:19 AM
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Don't let this out of the bag,the tree huggers will have them stocked.


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Oh so you wouldnt confuse these two animals? What are you some kind of expert?????




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Originally Posted By: Texas Heat
Oh so you wouldnt confuse these two animals? What are you some kind of expert?????



Reminds me of what someone once told me. "Wolves eat coyotes for breakfast."



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Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: Texas Dan] #3024225 02/18/12 03:18 AM
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Just as long as they are not in sheeps clothing.....



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Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: pegasaurus] #3024329 02/18/12 04:08 AM
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I thought wolves were the people that call you wanting you to pay for a service you never received.



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Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: Texas Dan] #3024338 02/18/12 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
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Oh so you wouldnt confuse these two animals? What are you some kind of expert?????



Reminds me of what someone once told me. "Wolves eat coyotes for breakfast."


And they really do!


Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: rifleman] #3024353 02/18/12 04:18 AM
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At first glance I thought that was a hog. Holy cow



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Holy crap i thought it was a hog and yote too. That is one wolf i wouldnt want to mess with. Where was that photo taken?



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Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: GO REBS] #3024442 02/18/12 05:15 AM
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Front legs appear way too long for a hog.



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Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: Texas Dan] #3024450 02/18/12 05:19 AM
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And reportedly, Timber Wolves are no smaller, weighing as much as 175 lbs. It's also reported that timber wolves and grey wolves are one on the same. Whatever the case, this makes it about as heavy as any mature buck you'll find anywhere in Texas.

http://www.bearcountryusa.com/animals/animal_info.php?id=17

Clearly, your first sight of a full-grown wolf would leave no doubt that it's not a coyote.


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There's really no mistaking even a pup


Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: rifleman] #3024657 02/18/12 01:25 PM
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i bear hunted in minnesota last september, up by internatinal falls was in the outdoorsmans sporting goods store to get a frogg togg rain suit and saw a mounted timber wolf, it was around 125 pounds i ask my bear guide was that a grey wolf and he said yeh a little one, looked big to a texas boy



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Re: There are no wolves in East Texas [Re: piney woods hunter] #3024723 02/18/12 02:13 PM
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In about 1961-62 when I lived in Alto, Tx...which if my mind still works is in East Texas..I hunted almost nightly with my
Coon Hounds...I saw one very large wolf over above Weches Tx
in front of an old country store with a large Gulf Oil sign outside about 2 AM, and I caught a couple of red wolf pups later
that summer on Hwy 69 about 3miles So. of Rusk...I never could
get them gentle enough to handle even though they weren't weaned
when I got them so I released them in the Angelina River Bottom
off Hwy 21...Most Bio. and folks with opinions do not spend nearly enough time in the woods or practice their fieldcraft...If
you think that computers, ect will solve this and track wildlife
that's rare enough that you only see one maybe once every 2 or 3
yrs. if you hunt almost daily ....you are welcome to your opinion. I've hunted with all of the above and rarely found one
that could walk in the woods with good trapper...Dirt


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The 'wolf' population in east TX west LA is actually the Red Wolf. They are still present - however, the Red Wolf sould not be considered even remotely similar to the larger Gray Wolf (which, in past historical times, could be found in east TX) - it (the Red Wolf) is similar to a coyote. And, according to a recent genetic study, it is closer to the coyote genetic strain than true wolf and is a hybrid (about 75% yote).



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Another distinctive difference is that Wolves have a rounded ear tip, whereas coyotes are a pointed ear tip.

According to wildlife biologist at TPWD, SFAU, and TAMU, the red wolf is the only wolf that may still be in east Texas, but are very few in number.



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Originally Posted By: Couzin
The 'wolf' population in east TX west LA is actually the Red Wolf. They are still present - however, the Red Wolf sould not be considered even remotely similar to the larger Gray Wolf (which, in past historical times, could be found in east TX) - it (the Red Wolf) is similar to a coyote. And, according to a recent genetic study, it is closer to the coyote genetic strain than true wolf and is a hybrid (about 75% yote).


The red as been cross bredding with yotes for so long the genetics of them still being there is possible but to see a true red wolf is almost impossible...and also havnt been recorded in texas for a very long time


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I remember growing up in the late 60s early 70s seeing a timberwolf behind the house. At first we thought it was a deer. Then Dad told us what it was. There is a couple near by that have pictures of what appears to be a pair of timberwolves (huge animals). The picture was taken behind their house at their pond. It was taken within the last 10 years. I wouldn't say there are "none in East Texas" just that they are a rare sight.




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My great grandmother who is 90 years old was just telling me about back in the day she remembers wolves being a common thing here in TX. Crazy how times change, makes you wonder what it will be like in another 100 years.


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there were some wolves in east texas, thanks to some douche nozzle that thought raising the would be cool. Just south of frankston in anderson county, there was some guy raising and selling wolves as pets, roughly 15 years ago. He was actually next door to a lease I was on. My landowner said that TPW had found out about it, and was coming down on him, and he released the ones he had. It probably wasn't a large enough population to start anything, but they were out there.


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I was camping at Martin Creek State park back in October and 5 wolves came into our camp just after dark. There are wolves in East Texas Ive seen em myself.



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You sure those weren't Cougars?



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I wonder who would win in a fight between an East Texas Wolf and a Black Panther?


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