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 Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: rifleman]
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Automatic spin feeders are for people that are lazy or don't know how to hunt. I promise you, if you will end your addiction to automatic spin feeders you will come across much bigger bucks than you have ever seen on your property. I have no problem with baiting - I just hait spin feeders.
the biggest buck i've ever shot(did it with a camera, but still kinda counts) scored 166....at 5 1/2 years old scored 166. Came to the feeder every afternoon. so your gonna tell me that big bucks don't come to a feeder? what about the number of feral hogs that bite the dust over spin feeders? putting out corn is putting out corn, no matter how you do it. Please, put up some pictures of bucks you have taken using "your" methods
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: TxHunter18]
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01/04/12 07:09 PM
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one 13" buck with rifle and one 13" buck with bow, that way after I shoot a 13" buck with the rifle I could continue to buck hunt, odds much lower you will kill one with a bow in east texas This. But my reasoning is reversed:if I shoot a good buck with the bow I would like to be able to keep hunting a good one with the rifle.As you pointed out,I believe the impact on the deer herd would be minimal but this rule would positively effect hunter participation. But on the whole I am fine with things the way they are in my county. This is the problem. Everyone wants to shoot bucks and not does theres a reason the bag limit is at least 3 does in most countys. Because everyonee wants horns Bad assumption there Senor.You know not whereof you speak-I shoot does too. In fact,I'll wager I have taken more does in the past 5 years than the vast majority hunters.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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01/04/12 07:52 PM
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To me the late season "doe & spike" goes against a sound management philosophy, in that many does have already been bred and then are killed. Having hunted on a MLD ranch, nearly every doe that was killed in February had at least one fawn in its fetus, most had twins.
Consequently, I would rather the seasons changed as follows:
1. Archery season to start in mid September - either sex
2. two week muzzleload season beginning the first weekend in October - either sex
3. doe & spike season starting in October with any legal weapon; 2nd weekend for the North, 3rd weekend in the South
4. standard rifle seasons remain unchanged for the entire state for either sex
Also add a two week mule deer doe season with any legal weapon.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: jdickey]
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01/04/12 08:09 PM
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Change those areas that have the restrictions and no doe seasons. To ONE buck and ONE doe.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: jdickey]
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01/04/12 08:26 PM
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To me the late season "doe & spike" goes against a sound management philosophy, in that many does have already been bred and then are killed. Having hunted on a MLD ranch, nearly every doe that was killed in February had at least one fawn in its fetus, most had twins.
Consequently, I would rather the seasons changed as follows:
1. Archery season to start in mid September - either sex
2. two week muzzleload season beginning the first weekend in October - either sex
3. doe & spike season starting in October with any legal weapon; 2nd weekend for the North, 3rd weekend in the South
4. standard rifle seasons remain unchanged for the entire state for either sex
Also add a two week mule deer doe season with any legal weapon. The reason doe season is at the end of regular season is because it gives fawns highest chance for survival. Also, why does it matter if does are killed before or after they are bred? Best argument is for shortened rut, but that should be affected more by previous years of population control.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: millerliteliker]
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01/04/12 09:20 PM
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AR's are not a big deal - and they are going to spread to more of the state, mostly because of the drought, but there was a push in the TPWD to do it before the drought.
Automatic spin feeders are for people that are lazy or don't know how to hunt. I promise you, if you will end your addiction to automatic spin feeders you will come across much bigger bucks than you have ever seen on your property. I have no problem with baiting - I just hait spin feeders.
If you guys would ever hunt other areas of the country, you would see what the banning of automatic spin feeders would get you - bigger bucks or at lease exposure to bigger bucks.
I bow hunt and I use corn like crazy - but I use it in transition zones that the deer pass to get to food (and yes, sometimes feeders). Believe me, it works.
Anyway, I would like to see an earlier start to bow season and the elimination of automatic spin feeders. I think it would really move our hunting up another notch. Maybe you should take more care how you say things. I'd bet you just about anything in this world I work harder than 99% percent of anyone you know at hunting and yes sir, I hunt and use "spin feeders". Quite frankly they r an excellent tool at funneling deer and feeding your herd. Of course they work better it some regions than others but non the less they are quite useful and "lazy" has nothing to do with it. I travel all over Texas, Oklahoma, and various other states hunting whitetail and of course employ many other tactics besides just staring at a feeder, but using them is definitely beneficial.
A mature buck might be a deer, but you can bet it's a totally different animal
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: Hunt n Fish]
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01/04/12 09:24 PM
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Let's stick a "traditional" muzzle loading (no inlines or scopes) season between bow and rifle..... I agree..... 
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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01/04/12 10:54 PM
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Make it acreage based. 1 doe per 75 or 100 acres and a buck per every 150 acres as an example.So if you have 50 acres you get to harvest a buck every three years.Habitat is based in acres not who owns the land.Bet the average age of bucks would go up.
If it's not overkill then it's underachievement.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: Smoke Checkem]
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01/05/12 12:24 AM
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You can manage all you want. Unless your managing a H.F. you are just kidding yourself. I see here in Bandera county we have 2 or 3 times more deer than we should have. I see more and more gut piles and boned out deer bones dumped on county roads than I ever have yet the deer population keeps increasing. Why is that?
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: don k]
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01/05/12 01:01 AM
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It sounds like yall need to shoot even more doe.The better the deer herd is balanced the more productive it will become.Recruitment rates will exceed 85% or better.Need more bullets.
If it's not overkill then it's underachievement.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: Smoke Checkem]
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01/05/12 01:28 AM
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Make it acreage based. 1 doe per 75 or 100 acres and a buck per every 150 acres as an example.So if you have 50 acres you get to harvest a buck every three years.Habitat is based in acres not who owns the land.Bet the average age of bucks would go up. That would be a horrible solution to anything. All land is not created equal.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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01/05/12 02:52 AM
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one 13" buck with rifle and one 13" buck with bow, that way after I shoot a 13" buck with the rifle I could continue to buck hunt, odds much lower you will kill one with a bow in east texas This. But my reasoning is reversed:if I shoot a good buck with the bow I would like to be able to keep hunting a good one with the rifle.As you pointed out,I believe the impact on the deer herd would be minimal but this rule would positively effect hunter participation. But on the whole I am fine with things the way they are in my county. This is the problem. Everyone wants to shoot bucks and not does theres a reason the bag limit is at least 3 does in most countys. Because everyonee wants horns Bad assumption there Senor.You know not whereof you speak-I shoot does too. In fact,I'll wager I have taken more does in the past 5 years than the vast majority hunters. agree,to each his own, at this point in my life I hunt for the enjoyment, my son gets the meat for me (does). between him and the rest of the lease memebers plenty of does are harvested, i do not care to shoot 1.5 year old spikes, when i shoot a AR buck my season is pretty much done for the year, i work my behind off planting, cutting, managing the place, it would be great to switch back to the bow and try for a second buck, very little impact on the herd with a bow
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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01/05/12 03:07 AM
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One doe total per hunter in East Texas all season....archery and general. No special doe days and no doe permits required. Meat hunters such as myself would be happy and wouldn't have to resort to taking a young spike for meat one didn't see a legal buck all season or a doe during the Thanksgiving weekend. What could that hurt?
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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01/05/12 03:14 AM
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In one buck counties the ability to shoot another buck being a spike, hurt, or an obvioius cull.
AR rules and poor genetics keep crappy bucks out there.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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01/05/12 04:08 AM
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one 13" buck with rifle and one 13" buck with bow, that way after I shoot a 13" buck with the rifle I could continue to buck hunt, odds much lower you will kill one with a bow in east texas This. But my reasoning is reversed:if I shoot a good buck with the bow I would like to be able to keep hunting a good one with the rifle.As you pointed out,I believe the impact on the deer herd would be minimal but this rule would positively effect hunter participation. But on the whole I am fine with things the way they are in my county. This is the problem. Everyone wants to shoot bucks and not does theres a reason the bag limit is at least 3 does in most countys. Because everyonee wants horns Bad assumption there Senor.You know not whereof you speak-I shoot does too. In fact,I'll wager I have taken more does in the past 5 years than the vast majority hunters. I can not keep up with how many does each person shoots a year. Im talking about hunters as a whole senor. All the post on here about the changes they want made are about bucks bucks bucks. I could go out every weekend of the deer season and shoot a doe or 2 and be just as happy as i would be if i shot a 130 class buck. Seems like alot of hunters hunt for horns so they can show of there buck and boost there ego. Hell ya i want to shoot a huge buck. But thats not why i love hunting and the outdoors.I just feel like more does and alot less bucks should be shot. And thats why each county has more doe tags than bucks. But i guarantee the numbers come out a lot more bucks shot than does.I care more about the deer population than the size horns they produce.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: TxHunter18]
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You can't shoot deer you don't have. Bottom line.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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How about all land overseen by TPWD through an MLD program be open to the public? 
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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It would recoup their costs by being able to raffle off permits
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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To me the late season "doe & spike" goes against a sound management philosophy, in that many does have already been bred and then are killed. Having hunted on a MLD ranch, nearly every doe that was killed in February had at least one fawn in its fetus, most had twins.
Consequently, I would rather the seasons changed as follows:
1. Archery season to start in mid September - either sex
2. two week muzzleload season beginning the first weekend in October - either sex
3. doe & spike season starting in October with any legal weapon; 2nd weekend for the North, 3rd weekend in the South
4. standard rifle seasons remain unchanged for the entire state for either sex
Also add a two week mule deer doe season with any legal weapon. The reason doe season is at the end of regular season is because it gives fawns highest chance for survival. Also, why does it matter if does are killed before or after they are bred? Best argument is for shortened rut, but that should be affected more by previous years of population control. Might save some bucks if they put out less energy to breed numerous does.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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You can manage all you want. Unless your managing a H.F. you are just kidding yourself. I see here in Bandera county we have 2 or 3 times more deer than we should have. I see more and more gut piles and boned out deer bones dumped on county roads than I ever have yet the deer population keeps increasing. Why is that? I agree in regard to numbers, but when you take numerous does from a small place, you are encouraging other does to replace them which is going to happen. The beneficial part of this is that to some extent you are changing the genetics by replacing does with does from another genetic pool.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
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That would be a horrible solution to anything. All land is not created equal. Now your thinking.The problem is a lot of land owners have acreage but most of it is of little value to the deer but they still want to shoot one or two bucks.Deer management should be done on a tract by tract basis but the general hunter would never go for this for it would restrict what the hunter could take and how often.So with that being said most henters arent out to better the deer herd there out to make sure they can harvest a deer regaurdless of the impact.
If it's not overkill then it's underachievement.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: Curly]
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One doe total per hunter in East Texas all season....archery and general. No special doe days and no doe permits required. Meat hunters such as myself would be happy and wouldn't have to resort to taking a young spike for meat one didn't see a legal buck all season or a doe during the Thanksgiving weekend. What could that hurt? you just need to face facts, that you hunt in a area that has a low deer population. move on man, go find another place to hunt
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: Smoke Checkem]
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01/05/12 02:12 PM
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1) Ban automatic corn feeders. 2) Ban HF operations. 3) Must harvest a doe before a buck.  
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Re: What Changes Would You Make in the Seasons and Deer Bag Limit?
[Re: fishhuntgolfgeek]
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01/05/12 02:19 PM
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Let's stick a "traditional" muzzle loading (no inlines or scopes) season between bow and rifle..... I agree..... Totally agree. Great idea!!!
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