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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: redriverpigger] #2657226 10/13/11 04:26 AM
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"Archery equipment should be defined as implements that are held by hand, drawn by hand and released by the motion of the hand in the presence of game"
just my thoughts after re-reading this...
You hold the cross bow in your hands....
you do have to use your hands to get it drawn back to [censored] it.(im not changing the sensored word due to the context it was used, and its funny to fill in the blank lol
and you release it with a motion in your hand similar to a trigger pull...
Crossbows use limbs to store energy, and fling a stick with a broadhead on the end.... it has a trigger to release, just like my compound release has.... it doesnt use expanding gasses from powder for compressed air to fire the projectile...

So what category do you think a crossbow should be in after reading this?


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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: senko86] #2657227 10/13/11 04:26 AM
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crossbow or compound, its all about getting people in the woods and having a good time. If someone feels that its not fair or to easy to hunt one way, then dont hunt that way. We dont live in mud huts and walk around naked anymore everything is evolving including the way we hunt



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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: bossbowman] #2657233 10/13/11 04:32 AM
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I guess I will be the devil's advocate (sp?). I see his point.

I understand that xbows have their place with handicaps and even younger hunters, but I think it is a different game. Archery (even compound bows) require a lot more practice and stealth than a xbow. Just about anyone can pick one up and start shooting good groups out to 30-40 yards. It takes a long time to do that with a bow. Also, it is loaded and ready to go in a hunt where you simply have to point and pull the trigger while sitting down, and sometimes on a rest, similar to a gun (or more like a handgun, since you have to be close). As opposed to standing, drawing, holding, etc.

I am not trying to bash xbow users, I just don't think they should be in the same class as other bows. IMO, a deer taken with a compound bow would be more of a trophy than taken with a xbow.


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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: bossbowman] #2657238 10/13/11 04:38 AM
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Yeah, I'm with the majority here. I have a decked out Hoyt powerhouse and the deer have had the upper hand more times than not. I rarely gun hunt so I'm using my bow quite a bit and to me when it comes the bow hunting, it's less about the equipment and more about patience and skill. Regardless of whether it's a cross bow, compound or traditional archery, you've got to get close to the deer and that is a challenge to itself. I'm also with bossbowman, I don't see where there would really be a heightened advantage in the first place.

(Not trying to reason with the unreasonable from the first post, just jumping in with the chatter.)

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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: mattm] #2657243 10/13/11 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: mattm
Yeah, I'm with the majority here. I have a decked out Hoyt powerhouse and the deer have had the upper hand more times than not. I rarely gun hunt so I'm using my bow quite a bit and to me when it comes the bow hunting, it's less about the equipment and more about patience and skill. Regardless of whether it's a cross bow, compound or traditional archery, you've got to get close to the deer and that is a challenge to itself. I'm also with bossbowman, I don't see where there would really be a heightened advantage in the first place.

(Not trying to reason with the unreasonable from the first post, just jumping in with the chatter.)

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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: txshntr] #2657272 10/13/11 04:59 AM
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no Im here....I just dont live on the computer. Also enjoying everyones opinion.


Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: TXPride] #2657278 10/13/11 05:07 AM
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Thankyou...I respect everyones opinion and love to hear them. Its what makes this country great. I guess I just love the sport to much to settle with simplicity. BTW,,,,I not once bashed on the handicaped confused2 ....


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It's a lot easier to group a crossbow than compound. But if its a legal method, who cares, deer is dead either way. To each their own.


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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: highlonesome1] #2657303 10/13/11 05:36 AM
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IMO C&C you need to kill something with that compound bow and show that true skill you keep talking about...all these crossbow hunters are going to whipe the deer herd out before too long since its so sooo easy to shoot and kill them! Lol your right it is nice to voice your opinion!


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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: C&C's EastTexasTails] #2657441 10/13/11 11:43 AM
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Archery equipment should be defined as implements that are held by hand, drawn by hand and released by the motion of the hand in the presence of game. If you are shooting a crossbow, you are not drawing the string in the presence of game. That alone gives crossbow shooters an unfair advantage. It is not bowhunting. Bowhunting shouldn’t be simple or easy. Most bowhunters understand it is inherently more difficult than other types of hunting, and they intentionally select that path. Because it is difficult, and because success is elusive, when it happens the reward is much greater.Crossbows don’t simply force questions about redistribution of opportunity; they also raise questions about whether technologically advanced hunting tools belong in seasons originally reserved for hunters with primitive weapons. Modern compound bows have already raised the stakes. Crossbows simply push the envelope a little further. So what comes next?


Have you used a crossbow before? Using a crossbow is not easy. A crossbow weighs more than a compound bow. Reloading a 175lb draw weight crossbow after firing it requires a cocking rope or a noisy cranking device or using your bare hands trying to deadlift the string...therefore you only get one shot at the deer. If you try to reload the crossbow after missing the deer, your cover (i.e. position) is blown because the deer will hear the cocking of the crossbow. It is easier for the compound bowhunter to reload another arrow without alerting a deer than it is for the crossbow hunter.

Compound bowhunters need to stop crying about crossbows. The only true bowhunters are those that are using recurve bows.


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Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: C&C's EastTexasTails] #2657497 10/13/11 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: C&C's EastTexasTails
Archery equipment should be defined as implements that are held by hand, drawn by hand and released by the motion of the hand in the presence of game. If you are shooting a crossbow, you are not drawing the string in the presence of game. That alone gives crossbow shooters an unfair advantage. It is not bowhunting. Bowhunting shouldn’t be simple or easy. Most bowhunters understand it is inherently more difficult than other types of hunting, and they intentionally select that path. Because it is difficult, and because success is elusive, when it happens the reward is much greater.Crossbows don’t simply force questions about redistribution of opportunity; they also raise questions about whether technologically advanced hunting tools belong in seasons originally reserved for hunters with primitive weapons. Modern compound bows have already raised the stakes. Crossbows simply push the envelope a little further. So what comes next?
I agree that compound is harder than using a crossbow. But just because you choose to use a harder technique does not mean you can place yourself above those who don't. We are all hunters here enjoying this amazing sport!



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Originally Posted By: C&C's EastTexasTails
Archery equipment should be defined as implements that are held by hand, drawn by hand and released by the motion of the hand in the presence of game. If you are shooting a crossbow, you are not drawing the string in the presence of game. That alone gives crossbow shooters an unfair advantage. It is not bowhunting. Bowhunting shouldn’t be simple or easy. Most bowhunters understand it is inherently more difficult than other types of hunting, and they intentionally select that path. Because it is difficult, and because success is elusive, when it happens the reward is much greater.Crossbows don’t simply force questions about redistribution of opportunity; they also raise questions about whether technologically advanced hunting tools belong in seasons originally reserved for hunters with primitive weapons. Modern compound bows have already raised the stakes. Crossbows simply push the envelope a little further. So what comes next?
with that logic i guess you dont gun hunt because thats too easy....


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If you try to reload the crossbow after missing the deer, your cover (i.e. position) is blown because the deer will hear the cocking of the crossbow. It is easier for the compound bowhunter to reload another arrow without alerting a deer than it is for the crossbow hunter.


This is a terrible argument. I am not against crossbows at all, but you really need a better argument than this. This makes it sound like you shouldn't be hunting at all.


Re: Crossbow vs. Compound [Re: Alec Castonguay] #2657576 10/13/11 01:00 PM
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there are some hunters that work long hours and may not have time to get thier skill levels to the point were they can bow hunt, as said much easier to group arrows with a xbow i see nothing wrong with that if you follow the posters line of thought a user of a recurve could bash someone with a new z7 or hoyt we need to come togathier the rifle hunters the bow and crossbow crowd , i am a deer and hog hunter mostly with a rifle but i also own a compound bow a horton crossbow, a modern inline blackpowder and a traditions sidelock percussion luv hunting with them all when legal. i work with guys who hunt with dogs for coon and buseytails some hunters trailwhatch some hunt over bait we learn from and respect each other not bash each others way or type of hunting, if its legal and you chose to take game that away even if its not my type or my ethics i support you les get togathier and back each other up folks



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Who cares? Why do we have to act like we're better than others? We are all hunters. We all partake in conservation and game management efforts. We all enjoy the outdoors and nature and the act of hunting. Who cares if you use a xbow, compound, rifle, slingshot, spear, rock, etc. Come on guys, act as a hunting community. Some may start with a xbow and then transition to a compound.



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My only point to argue is to take my father for instance. He is not handicapped, but is in a position that he feels that he cannot shoot a compound or any other traditional bow to the standards he once could. For this reason, he shoots a crossbow. This gives him an opportunity to enjoy archery season as well as rifle season. He keeps trying to get me to give the crossbow a try since it is now legal in archery season, but to me, the hunt with my compound bow is still what drives my love to hunt. For me, archery season means bow and arrow, but in the same respect, for someone in my dad's condition, the crossbow is the best choice. For this reason, I say there is nothing wrong with the crossbow in the archery category.


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Originally Posted By: Tuoms
Who cares? Why do we have to act like we're better than others? We are all hunters. We all partake in conservation and game management efforts. We all enjoy the outdoors and nature and the act of hunting. Who cares if you use a xbow, compound, rifle, slingshot, spear, rock, etc. Come on guys, act as a hunting community. Some may start with a xbow and then transition to a compound.


exactly, i have my 5 tags and you have yours. what i do with them is my choice and as long as it legal who cares. keep on shootin your bow and i will keep on shootin mine.


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It's a lot easier to group a crossbow than compound.
Have you shot one of the new parallel limb designed compounds?, theres not a big difference anymore. Everyone should just try to get along, we are all hunters after all, as long as we can keep october "quiet" season (no boom sticks please), I am happy.




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I don't have a problem with any weapon as long as it is legal to use it for a kill. Personally I started with a centerfire rifle, then to black powder and then to a compound bow. With a compound bow, I found myself watching and enjoying more so I stayed with it. If at the end of the season I still need some more meat for the freezer then I pull out what ever weapon that is legal to take more meat. Currently in the mid 50's, I do not preffer a crossbow but who knows as life goes on and the body detorates I may look at one in the future if I find myself still wanting to bow hunt.



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I'm an archer have been for 41 years, I don't consider a Xbow archery, when I can't draw a bow anymore that will be time to hang my hat.

If someone wants to Xbow hunts it's legal and their option, I don't have a problem with it just don't compare the two. It's like comparing shooting pool to bowling!


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scratch so you plan on changing the definition of archery equipment? confused2

I have a hard time picking a topic within your thread to argue with because of the simple fact that crossbows and bows are two different things, but they fall under archery category because they are not a firearm. The season is "archery season" not bow season.



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