How many times have we seen the question posed on this forum?

Today on a routine youtube journey I came across this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVlrSVsAdpI&feature=related

I don't know these guys, I didn't post the video - I wanted to share it though as I believe it is a visual response to my own question, which is commonly asked on this forum.

You be the judge, I just want to say that I personally think this animal suffered undue pain. MY OPINION.

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I'm not so sure that was even a "wild" animal. It did not seem to care it was being approached with no attempt to conceal, I even doubt the shot placement looking at the clown doing the shooting.

In a world with no laws, imagine sneaking up behind the biggest, meanest fighter you can think of. Then punch him in the side of his face. Maybe you’ll stagger him. Maybe you’ll knock him down. Maybe you’ll even kill him. But if he is able to shake it off and turn around and look at you, do you think he will run or kill you?

If a hog is the dominant boar, then he’s not afraid of anything, except humans...maybe. If he doesn’t know you’re there, and you shoot him, whether it's fatal or not, he's going to be pissed. If it doesn't disrupt the central nervous system, there is a chance he could turn on you. Why why why would you want to risk that with a 223? You can’t always put it behind the ear.

PS - 300 pounds??? Really???

Here is the back side of a hog after I hit him with 75g TAP.
http://imgur.com/ukuL4

Do people really like hunting with 223 this much? how is this always poppin up...its a cool round and has its purpose...but really....are yall that scared of a gun with a little kick

Took a 200lb boar with 55gr FMJ, DRT. Shot placement is the key - this topic is like a broken record.

And no...I own a 30-06 and a 308, but AR15's are fun for hogs and ammo is cheap.

Shot placement is never a guarantee and is based on many things such as but not limited to:

Hunting terrain

Hunter's experience

Weather

Etc...

223 will not be effective if the mark is missed by 1/2, 1, 3 inches...

Im with Mr. Djones, why why why why risk it, for both you and the animals sake.

Could you imagine the video if that animal had charged that guy.

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They are not cape buffalo. I would consider hunting them about as "dangerous" as deer hunting.

.223 is plenty for hogs.

I wouldn't argue with djones simply out of respect for his chops as the master hog killer, but the day I find a hog I can't kill with 30 rounds of 75 gr TAP I'm getting out of the business...

A hog can be cleanly and ethically killed with the .223. I've done it too many times to doubt it...

You may change your mind the first time one charges you.

300 no way, plus whats the diffrence if the pig bleeds out like that or it runs off and bleeds out in the woods. alot of time a animal wil be dead but the nerves still are moving.

Thats why i leave my vagina in the truck when i go after hogs.......

RAZOR DOBBS STYLE, WALK UP TO THEM AND BUST EM WITH THE 1911 !!
.223 will pop their head like a melon though. No vaginitis in my camp allowed.

There are guys out there that say they've killed hundreds of hogs. Maybe so. I know there are outfitters that have several guides taking out dozens of hunters who definitely are responsible for hundreds of hogs each year. I have taken 286 hogs just in 2011, either by myself or with friends (maybe you've seen some of my pics ). While I don't consider myself any more knowledgeable than the next hunter, I DO believe I have a little more experience than the average hog hunter. Granted that experience is limited to events in my given circumstances. That includes shots from 22s to 45-70 at standing, unalarmed piglets to running adrenaline stoked monsters.

My experience tells me hogs are nothing like deer. Their hide is thicker, they’re tougher and have a will to live like no other animal. One of the scariest hunts I’ve been on was when I shot a hog during the day that darted across a dirt road. When we got up to where he crossed, he was just inside the brushline, crouched down, facing us... waiting. We were talking the whole time we approached, so I know he knew we were coming. When he saw us, he ran off. I believe if I had approached him slowly through the brush to track him by myself, he would have attacked me. Deer don’t do that. I consider hogs dangerous game and hunt them accordingly.

Sure a 223 can and will kill one. I just want to see what you use AFTER your first charge.

Hey, if thats what gets your blood pumping, more power to you!


I could consider squirrels dangerous game since they'd probably gnaw your face off if they could get to it....but i dont live in a fantasy world.

Next time i'm in the woods, i'll surely be the lookout for armor plated blood thirsty hogs....and tree rats too!

I have taken at least 10 hogs with my AR. I think the biggest problem with the .223 round is that people hunt with FMJ ammo. I use a 55 grain soft point that I buy from the Dallas Reloading Supply and I have never had one go more than 40 yards. That being said the last sow I shot went 40 yard after taking a 180 grain bullet moving at 3000 fps from my 300WSM at 20 yards. When I gutted her I made a perfect shot and blew her heart out and left an exit hole the size of my fist.

I don't think it matters what round you use as long as the bullet is for killing game and not FMJ. Now a shot over a few hundred yards is a different story.

I will say that when I went after that sow a few weeks ago her clan was waiting and I would have felt alot more comfortable with my AR than my 300wsm bolt gun.

How many of you would go on a guided deer hunt where the deer could go 250 to 300lbs or bigger, and take a 223? I wouldn’t even take that as my backup gun.

I was going to concede that perhaps you could take a 30 pounder with a 223 if you were close enough, but forget it. I can see being Mr. Nice Guy is getting me nowhere, so the gloves are coming off. I’m going on record now as saying…

YOU CAN’T KILL A PIG WITH A 223.

Now before you argue with me, I suggest you find out a little bit about the real djones. You can begin your research here.

Top 100 Facts About Djones

Personally, I think a 223 is overkill. I've killed plenty of them with a 22lr.

And even more of them with a stick and a string.

ph,
Get your facts straight. A 22lr is far more powerful than a 223. Once I roundhouse kicked a 223 out of mid air.

I wonder if those two I shot the other day are dead. Since we ate them I would assume they were.

I'm afraid if I followed up on that one, the conversation would end with "They went through my nose".

Lol, I killed two hogs with my suppressed 10/22 last Tuesday. Both dropped in their tracks and have hit the smoker already.

.....So......

Does anyone know a hunter like the two guys in the vid, if so would you trust them with anything higher than a .223 caliber.

Case in point -

a) why is the guy walking in the brush to begin with when there is a trail 5 feet to the right.

b) why didn't he take the shot when the pig came into view initially instead of closing the distance another 15 yards to make his shot.

c) why is he taking instruction like a good little robot-man from a guy holding a camera and bow.

I would venture to guess that if the hog were on a ridge elevated from the shooter that he wouldn't have thought twice about shooting at it.

Perhaps these two guys are the exception to the rule...... Because most people defending the .223 seem to know what they are doing despite the visual evidence seen in shots 1 through 3 in the vid.

BB

No one who owns a 223 knows what they're doing, or they wouldn't have one