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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:40 PM
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This has been my favorite thread of the early hunting season. Lots of good advice and opinions. Threads like these are what this site is about, good in-depth discussions. Next question would be...how good are those opinions
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:44 PM
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My guess on the second one was 5.5 by looking at his brisket and stained hock but with the hair standing up it is very hard to judge a deer if that is the only time you have seen him. It so very different when looking at pics than in person. Deer are relaxed in some pics making them look so much different than they would in person. But in my defense I can waffle with the best of them. and eat crow as a main course most of the time
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:45 PM
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Ok your turn. What do you think of this buck. Both are October pics and about 4 days apart. The first pic was taken before the second one was as a point of reference.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:47 PM
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:49 PM
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That 2nd pic looks like a 4.5 yo but the 1st pic makes me think he's more like 5.5-6.5yo. I'm probably way off.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:52 PM
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I would go with 4.5 at the oldest... Reasoning: knees, neck, and no fight marks to speak of. Horns throw me off, but that is because I am not used to those (and I try not to look at them for age, but still)
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:54 PM
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Second pic I think 3.5yo but agree with LandPirate on the 5.5-6.5yo for first pic.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:55 PM
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Second pic I think 3.5yo but agree with LandPirate on the 5.5-6.5yo for first pic. Goes to show camera angle makes a huge difference...same deer
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:55 PM
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Sorry my bad on some info...both pics are from the same year in October and 4 days apart. Now what do you think.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:57 PM
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Sorry my bad on some info...both pics are from the same year in October and 4 days apart. Now what do you think. I think it is a good thing that I am not writing what I am thinking as I jump between the two pictures...because I am waffling worse than you were
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 03:58 PM
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I'm gonna go with 4.5...I'll add that you don't often see that kind of mass development on antlers of deer that young. Of course, he's probably been slurping down protein his whole life, which helps.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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I'm gonna go with 4.5...I'll add that you don't often see that kind of mass development on antlers of deer that young. Of course, he's probably been slurping down protein his whole life, which helps. Location within the state makes a big difference too.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 04:00 PM
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This has been my favorite thread of the early hunting season. Lots of good advice and opinions. Threads like these are what this site is about, good in-depth discussions. Next question would be...how good are those opinions I think they're spot on. I'd say he's 4.5 right now based on his pics from last year. This time of year is always tricky and you really have to look at the "whole" deer. Looking at last year's pics I see the longer nose, long legs and a "quarter horse look". This year's pic isn't the best to judge on but for me I'm saying 4.5 this year. I agree with STXRM on the fact that some deer that are way past their prime appear to be a 3.5 year old because in most cases they are lean with bad hips and a big chest. It's easy to see a slimmer body and a set of horns that isn't spectacular and automatically think, "I need to give him a year or two". Not every old deer has a giant body. We had a deer a few years ago that looked like a middle-aged deer at first glance but when you really studied him he had all of the signs of a deer waaaay past his prime. We ended up taking the deer(130 class 9 pt that was 24 inches inside) and he was 8.5 years old. It's not an exact science and that's what makes it fun. Once you think you've got it figured out you'll get fooled.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 04:03 PM
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This has been my favorite thread of the early hunting season. Lots of good advice and opinions. Threads like these are what this site is about, good in-depth discussions. Next question would be...how good are those opinions I think they're spot on. I'd say he's 4.5 right now based on his pics from last year. This time of year is always tricky and you really have to look at the "whole" deer. Looking at last year's pics I see the longer nose, long legs and a "quarter horse look". This year's pic isn't the best to judge on but for me I'm saying 4.5 this year. I agree with STXRM on the fact that some deer that are way past their prime appear to be a 3.5 year old because in most cases they are lean with bad hips and a big chest. It's easy to see a slimmer body and a set of horns that isn't spectacular and automatically think, "I need to give him a year or two". Not every old deer has a giant body. We had a deer a few years ago that looked like a middle-aged deer at first glance but when you really studied him he had all of the signs of a deer waaaay past his prime. We ended up taking the deer(130 class 9 pt that was 24 inches inside) and he was 8.5 years old. It's not an exact science and that's what makes it fun. Once you think you've got it figured out you'll get fooled. I don't ever want to figure it all out. Part of what I love about hunting is being able to think about and second guess myself constantly, even when I am not in the woods. We have been on our place 17 years and every year is different and provides different challanges.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 04:04 PM
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Home field advantage in aging is priceless. I had guessed this buck to be 3.5 the first time I took pics of him. He was 3.5 in those pics because 60 days later he was a rut mortality figure. He was the best 3.5 yr old I have seen. He was just the right buck from the right buck/doe combination and yes he had food plots, protein and native habitat but they are no substitute for genetics. By the way he grossed just over 181.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 04:04 PM
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Dang, 3.5!!! Imagine what he might have been at 6.5? Great buck.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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At least I didn't make you suffer...come on man
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 04:08 PM
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Try to age this one based on looking at one year alone and not the rest. These pics are the same buck from one year to the next year to the next year. This pic is in January. The next year in the rut in Decemeber. The following year in October.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 04:09 PM
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Home field advantage in aging is priceless. I had guessed this buck to be 3.5 the first time I took pics of him. He was 3.5 in those pics because 60 days later he was a rut mortality figure. He was the best 3.5 yr old I have seen. He was just the right buck from the right buck/doe combination and yes he had food plots, protein and native habitat but they are no substitute for genetics. By the way he grossed just over 181. I was actually close ...I wanted to say 3.5 but didn't trust it...Give me another one That sucks to lose a deer like that. I can't believe those horns at 3.5
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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Are the last two the same year?
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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At least I didn't make you suffer...come on man It is to much fun to suffer. Being humbled is part of it. Learning from being humbled is called experience. I have lots of experience.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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09/20/11 04:11 PM
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Home field advantage in aging is priceless. I had guessed this buck to be 3.5 the first time I took pics of him. He was 3.5 in those pics because 60 days later he was a rut mortality figure. He was the best 3.5 yr old I have seen. He was just the right buck from the right buck/doe combination and yes he had food plots, protein and native habitat but they are no substitute for genetics. By the way he grossed just over 181. Man that really sucks STXRM. I was thinking three and that's the best case of "don't look at the antlers" I've ever seen. I was telling myself that there's no way that 170" deer is three! What a buck!
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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Are the last two the same year? Yes my bad again. Same day about 20 minutes apart on pics also. Notice how much older he can look from one pic to the next.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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At first glance I thought deer two was still a pup; 'sharp nose' and the typical lean racehorse muscle tone/appearance. BUT his knees are very swollen (arthritis?) - I think he is older. I am probably over-thinking it and way off: 6.5 for buck 2 and 4.5 for buck 1.
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Re: Age...little different than normal
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At first glance I thought deer two was still a pup; 'sharp nose' and the typical lean racehorse muscle tone/appearance. BUT his knees are very swollen (arthritis?) - I think he is older. I am probably over-thinking it and way off: 6.5 for buck 2 and 4.5 for buck 1. Good observation! What you are seeing is rut stress from a buck that was a very bad fighter. Knees get really abused in a fight as they are on the ground in most fights and torqued for leverage at very bad angles. Most common rut injury is to the knee.
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