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Re: Game Warden [Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)] #2461216 07/28/11 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)

Depends on his felony, and the courts' disposition of said felony. There are some felons who own guns and hunt legally.

He could also bow hunt or blackpowder hunt.


I'd say your buddies best bet and yours would be for him to get a lawyer and work on getting it the heck off his record. If it was non-violent and he's kept on the straight and narrow hopefully the courts will agree to restore his rights so he can hunt without worry...


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I dunno but in WA state, you have to have either 2 years experience working for a hatchery or take the fisheries course at the college. A degree in fish biology is a major plus. It's basically the same as applying to be a police officer. Background check, psych eval, polygraph, numerous interviews, physical and mental exams. Plus 5 months at the police academy and 5 more months probation/training.

If they want you bad enough, because you meet their requirements and the type of person they are looking for, then you will get hired. Try going to a local hatchery and talking to a gamey and get to know them. Keep outta trouble, and good luck!


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i agree with you folks should not consider someone a bad person for a name placed on them , have a friend who made a bad decision to ride in a car with his buddies,the buds had took without permission next thing you know he is a convicted felon at 17 years of age, he is now 47 and as fine a man as i know the last thing anyone better say to me is why are you handing with a felon as said i bet he is better guy than 99 percent out there,he will not hunt with firearm due to risk,he bow and crossbow hunts a bit, as for getting rights restored he is a milwright and has four kids he has talked to lawyers and he cannot afford the amount of cash it would take though most lawyers say he is a good candate to get disablities lifted,that kind of thing only happens if you got money to pay for it, since he was 17 has had only a few traffic tickets his entire life



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Re: Game Warden [Re: Jim Davis] #2465994 07/30/11 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jim Davis
You can get in as much trouble as he can, by being with him while knowing he is commiting a crime. Just like letting someone drive that you know has a bad DL, you'll go to jail too.




wtf


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You can get in as much trouble as he can, by being with him while knowing he is commiting a crime. Just like letting someone drive that you know has a bad DL, you'll go to jail too.




wtf


Look into it.


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Excuse me, but I thought that felons could not get a hunting license? Isn't that true? If so, it doesn't matter if he has a rifle, smoothbore, bow, or a big rock - can't be hunting.


Re: Felon Hunting License? [Re: John Humbert] #2476486 08/03/11 05:31 PM
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Anyone can purchase a hunting license unless they are behind in child support payments, have a game/fish violation or civil restitution they have not paid or under certain parole conditions may not allow them to hunt.

Just can not use, handle or hunt with any firearm that uses rimfire or centerfire ammunition or a muzzleloader that was manufactured after 1899, an antique or curio firearm that uses centerfire or rimfire ammunition...rules out inline muzzleloaders.


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Sounds like the best thing anyone that wants to hunt can do is not become a convicted felon. Otherwise you're going to have to become very proficient with a bow or spend a lot more time on the couch watching football.


Re: Felon Hunting License? [Re: ETXbuckman] #2476740 08/03/11 07:14 PM
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Basically as long as your buddy wasnt convicted he is clear to buy a gun and/or hunt as long as it wasnt any kind of domestic disspute/violence. Then he would be out for good.



Re: Felon Hunting License? [Re: ETXbuckman] #2477198 08/03/11 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: ETXbuckman
Sounds like the best thing anyone that wants to hunt can do is not become a convicted felon. Otherwise you're going to have to become very proficient with a bow or spend a lot more time on the couch watching football.


Well said!


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There has to be some loophole somewhere. I know of a guy that has/had a felony and hunts. Hunts to the point he got a ticket because he didn't have his hunter safety card in possession and the number wasn't on license. Went to court, proved he had hunter education and ticket was waived. Somewhere in all that you would think if it was a hard fast rule his goose would have been cooked. however, I sure don't want to find out first hand.



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so let me get this right a blackpowder rifle such as a hawkens reproduction would be legal a cva inline would not , thats stranges



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Re: Felon Hunting License? [Re: piney woods hunter] #2478184 08/04/11 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: piney woods hunter
so let me get this right a blackpowder rifle such as a hawkens reproduction would be legal a cva inline would not , thats stranges


That is the way I understand the law.



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Re: Felon Hunting License? [Re: kmon11] #2478236 08/04/11 06:22 AM
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I would like to see legal reference that rules out inlines. Most modern inlines still meet the definition of Antique, so it would have to be some law related to felons and any muzzleloader. Unrelated to antique status.

But if your saying inlines are Firearms... They still load from the front and do not use fixed ammunition. The only exceptions are in a short list on the site below that includes the first year savage 10ML muzzleloaders only because the determination was made that they could be converted to centerfire with a barrel change.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/collectors.html#antique-definition

•(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and
•(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica -
•(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
•(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."
•(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term ‘antique firearm’ shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon, which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.




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Originally Posted By: Sniper John
I would like to see legal reference that rules out inlines. Most modern inlines still meet the definition of Antique, so it would have to be some law related to felons and any muzzleloader. Unrelated to antique status.

But if your saying inlines are Firearms... They still load from the front and do not use fixed ammunition. The only exceptions are in a short list on the site below that includes the first year savage 10ML muzzleloaders only because the determination was made that they could be converted to centerfire with a barrel change.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/collectors.html#antique-definition

•(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and
•(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica -
•(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
•(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."
•(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term ‘antique firearm’ shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon, which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.



Possession of firearms by felons: A convicted felon, regardless of where the conviction occurred, may not possess or use a firearm (as defined by Penal Code, §46.01) to hunt in this state. Under Penal Code, §46.01, a muzzleloading firearm is lawful if it is an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899 or a replica of an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899 that does not use rimfire or centerfire ammunition.


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That's a pretty messed up thing to say about someone you don't even know. I have a good friend of mine that is a convicted felon, he's a good man. He caught a convicted child molester trying to give his kids candy TWICE walking home from the school bus. He gave the scumbag a stern warning to stay away from his kids the first time, second time he lost his temper & beat the man nearly to death....put him in a wheelchair for life. He served two years in prison for that & was stuck with a felony. He knows he made a bad decision, he knew he should have called the cops instead of loosing his temper. He knows he can't hunt or own a gun, so we just go fishing together now. You shouldn't be so judgemental of folks you don't know.....just sayin'.


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Originally Posted By: JWP58
Why in the hell would you want to hang around a FELON in the first place? Let alone with firearms present?

Sounds like a plan sure to go wrong...


That's a pretty messed up thing to say about someone you don't even know. I have a good friend of mine that is a convicted felon, he's a good man. He caught a convicted child molester trying to give his kids candy TWICE walking home from the school bus. He gave the scumbag a stern warning to stay away from his kids the first time, second time he lost his temper & beat the man nearly to death....put him in a wheelchair for life. He served two years in prison for that & was stuck with a felony. He knows he made a bad decision, he knew he should have called the cops instead of loosing his temper. He knows he can't hunt or own a gun, so we just go fishing together now. You shouldn't be so judgemental of folks you don't know.....just sayin'


Re: Felon Hunting License? [Re: Jim Davis] #2481599 08/05/11 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jim Davis
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I would like to see legal reference that rules out inlines. Most modern inlines still meet the definition of Antique, so it would have to be some law related to felons and any muzzleloader. Unrelated to antique status.

But if your saying inlines are Firearms... They still load from the front and do not use fixed ammunition. The only exceptions are in a short list on the site below that includes the first year savage 10ML muzzleloaders only because the determination was made that they could be converted to centerfire with a barrel change.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/collectors.html#antique-definition

•(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and
•(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica -
•(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
•(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."
•(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term ‘antique firearm’ shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon, which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.



Possession of firearms by felons: A convicted felon, regardless of where the conviction occurred, may not possess or use a firearm (as defined by Penal Code, §46.01) to hunt in this state. Under Penal Code, §46.01, a muzzleloading firearm is lawful if it is an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899 or a replica of an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899 that does not use rimfire or centerfire ammunition.


But it goes on to say.

•(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term ‘antique firearm’ shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon, which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

Therefore inline muzzleloaders are defined as antiques same as any muzzleloader unless they incorporate a firearm frame or can be converted to fire fixed ammunition. It is why you can buy inline muzzleloaders without filling out a 4473. They are not "firearms".




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Why in the hell would you want to hang around a FELON in the first place? Let alone with firearms present?

Sounds like a plan sure to go wrong...


That's a pretty messed up thing to say about someone you don't even know. I have a good friend of mine that is a convicted felon, he's a good man. He caught a convicted child molester trying to give his kids candy TWICE walking home from the school bus. He gave the scumbag a stern warning to stay away from his kids the first time, second time he lost his temper & beat the man nearly to death....put him in a wheelchair for life. He served two years in prison for that & was stuck with a felony. He knows he made a bad decision, he knew he should have called the cops instead of loosing his temper. He knows he can't hunt or own a gun, so we just go fishing together now. You shouldn't be so judgemental of folks you don't know.....just sayin'


I'd almost say that the 2 years were worth it. If you can't kill 'em, cripple 'em.





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Ok Jim,
I think I understand now. In 1999 when Congress exempted all muzzleloders from the Gun Control Act, they did not do so from the National Firearms Act. Texas is still using the NFA worded definition of antique for Felons it seems.


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Originally Posted By: skinnerback

That's a pretty messed up thing to say about someone you don't even know. I have a good friend of mine that is a convicted felon, he's a good man. He caught a convicted child molester trying to give his kids candy TWICE walking home from the school bus. He gave the scumbag a stern warning to stay away from his kids the first time, second time he lost his temper & beat the man nearly to death....put him in a wheelchair for life. He served two years in prison for that & was stuck with a felony. He knows he made a bad decision, he knew he should have called the cops instead of loosing his temper. He knows he can't hunt or own a gun, so we just go fishing together now. You shouldn't be so judgemental of folks you don't know.....just sayin'

I'd like to shake your friends hand! The only thing he did wrong was get the wrong 12 people on the damn jury, or the wrong judge!!!!!!!!! Sorry SOB molester got what he deserved!



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Originally Posted By: ILUVBIGBUCKS
Originally Posted By: skinnerback

That's a pretty messed up thing to say about someone you don't even know. I have a good friend of mine that is a convicted felon, he's a good man. He caught a convicted child molester trying to give his kids candy TWICE walking home from the school bus. He gave the scumbag a stern warning to stay away from his kids the first time, second time he lost his temper & beat the man nearly to death....put him in a wheelchair for life. He served two years in prison for that & was stuck with a felony. He knows he made a bad decision, he knew he should have called the cops instead of loosing his temper. He knows he can't hunt or own a gun, so we just go fishing together now. You shouldn't be so judgemental of folks you don't know.....just sayin'

I'd like to shake your friends hand! The only thing he did wrong was get the wrong 12 people on the damn jury, or the wrong judge!!!!!!!!! Sorry SOB molester got what he deserved!
x2,But some will always think that felons should have no rights,after all,its easy to say if it wasnt your kids.A man should not be defined by one action,positive or negative,just my .02




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You can get in as much trouble as he can, by being with him while knowing he is commiting a crime. Just like letting someone drive that you know has a bad DL, you'll go to jail too.




wtf


Look into it.





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Originally Posted By: skinnerback
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Why in the hell would you want to hang around a FELON in the first place? Let alone with firearms present?

Sounds like a plan sure to go wrong...


That's a pretty messed up thing to say about someone you don't even know. I have a good friend of mine that is a convicted felon, he's a good man. He caught a convicted child molester trying to give his kids candy TWICE walking home from the school bus. He gave the scumbag a stern warning to stay away from his kids the first time, second time he lost his temper & beat the man nearly to death....put him in a wheelchair for life. He served two years in prison for that & was stuck with a felony. He knows he made a bad decision, he knew he should have called the cops instead of loosing his temper. He knows he can't hunt or own a gun, so we just go fishing together now. You shouldn't be so judgemental of folks you don't know.....just sayin'


And....? Each situation is different. And whos to say your friend wont "lose his temper" again?

If you want to associate with conficted felons, so be it. Just dont kick yourself too hard when they "make a poor decision" for the second time, when you're with them.


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Originally Posted By: JWP58
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Originally Posted By: JWP58
Why in the hell would you want to hang around a FELON in the first place? Let alone with firearms present?

Sounds like a plan sure to go wrong...


That's a pretty messed up thing to say about someone you don't even know. I have a good friend of mine that is a convicted felon, he's a good man. He caught a convicted child molester trying to give his kids candy TWICE walking home from the school bus. He gave the scumbag a stern warning to stay away from his kids the first time, second time he lost his temper & beat the man nearly to death....put him in a wheelchair for life. He served two years in prison for that & was stuck with a felony. He knows he made a bad decision, he knew he should have called the cops instead of loosing his temper. He knows he can't hunt or own a gun, so we just go fishing together now. You shouldn't be so judgemental of folks you don't know.....just sayin'


And....? Each situation is different. And whos to say your friend wont "lose his temper" again?

If you want to associate with conficted felons, so be it. Just dont kick yourself too hard when they "make a poor decision" for the second time, when you're with them.


Yes, everyone's situation is different. I know several others that have been convicted of felonies for drugs, burglary etc. I don't consort with them at all & they will never be welcome at my house...period. Point I was trying to make is, not everyone who has been convicted of a felony is a bad person. Even some of those who have had drug problems straighten out their life & become good citizens. If I was in my friend's shoes I don't know what I'd do, I may have killed that POS. I'm not a violent person, but when it comes to protecting my kids that's a whole other story.....especially when it comes to a child molester or a child abuser. I really don't see this as being a productive conversation, you have your beliefs & I have mine. Think I'll get back to reading happy things now......like HUNTING threads.


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