And THAT is the most enlightened thing I have ever read on this forum!

I, like some of y'all, used to not be a fan of Glocks. UNTIL i spent a fair amount of time w/them. Are there nicer guns, yes. Are there prettier guns, yes. But if I spend $1k on a gun I'm not going to use it to it's full potential in fear of scratching or breaking it. W/a Glock, no need to worry about anything. As far as Sig's, HK's, Kahr's, S&W, etc., they can't hold a candle to the shear toughness & abuse-able dependability to a Glock. If you think so, do some tests(comparable to the tests done to G's) & prove me wrong. I was wrong once, but I was right about me being wrong! flame................. ON

If you're calling me ignorant, thanks?
Ya I haven't been around handguns my whole life but I wouldn't consider myself ignorant.

I'll separate myself from the Glock fan-club, too. They simply don't fit well in my hand and I'm not comfortable shooting them. They may be the most reliable weapons on the planet, but if it isn't comfortable, it isn't worth putting my life on.

The moral of the story? Select what YOU ARE comfortable shooting. Go to a range that rents guns and throw some lead down range, figure out what fits you best. After all, there will be no one else that shoots just like you.

Do you not drive your car because it costs $10k/$20k/$50k/$100k and you might scratch it?

Scratches are a part of life. Just because a Glock is "ugly" doesn't mean it is better or worse than a "pretty" gun. I carry a $1000 gun and use it as a gun. If it gets a scratch, so be it. It's a tool. Just like the tools in my garage. A scratch doesn't make them less useful.

Again, it should come down to the shooter and what he/she prefers. If you shoot better with a Glock than a Sig, fine. If you shoot a Kahr better than a HK, awesome. But some of us can carry a $1000 gun and use it as such....scratches and all.

I agree with all of you. I need to shoot more guns. I do feel most comfortable with the p220. (small hands)..
I'm thinking that gun is too big to carry though??

Oh and much respect to Glock. Watched the torture test video, pretty BA little gun I must say. I want to shoot one

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Haven't heard good enough feedback from Glock's yet to trust them.


I don't drink the GLOCK Kool-aid and that is one of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum.
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From the wiktionary:
Adjective

ignorant (comparative more ignorant, superlative most ignorant)

1. Unknowledgeable or uneducated; characterized by ignorance.

By definition that was an ignorant statement. Not having "heard enough feedback on GLOCKS to trust them". The amount of praise heaped upon the GLOCK is only rivaled by the amount of porn on the Internet.

Are you ignorant? Of course. So am I about many/most subjects. You have already begun to remedy your ignorance on the subject of GLOCKS and handguns in general.

Summing up; not a slam.

Ok I'm past the part of me not knowing about Glocks. I'm trying to get information, not lectured on what ignorance is.

It all boils down to what you like, trust, and can shoot well. I currently swap out between a Bersa Mini 9 Firestorm and a Hungarian PA-63 in 9x18. The PA-63 is an alloy framed single-stack that's much slimmer and lighter than the all-steel Bersa and works better if I grab a pair of jeans that's a little tight around the waist. I've also carried it on my ankle before but it's not real comfortable. My son carries a Springfield XD subcompact .40 that will outshoot any gun I own and has a great trigger, but it's a bit wider\chunkier than I like.

Fair enough.

I carry a CZ 75B when wearing anything but shorts and a t-shirt. There are few CZ fans on this forum, however, the CZ 75 and variants are incredible pistols.

Although I will Mexican carry the CZ with only shorts/t-shirt on occasion. When it is blazing hot and my clothing/cover is minimal, I will Mexican carry a Bersa Thunder380. When not going Mexican, I carry with a Simply Rugged IWB holster at about the 4:30 position upon the waist.

As far as fun to shoot...dude...EVERYTHING is fun to shoot.

I took my chl class at my old next-door neighbor's house. $75 (range fee included)... Just do all the paper work online and you'll be golden... As far as shooting at the range... There was an older married couple there that did just fine.... Albeit being LP's at about 4' each... It was awesome seeing them handle those pistols and having their brass eject into their neighbor's shins... Some things you'll only experience once in your life...

PM me if ya want his info.

I carry a compact 1911, a colt defender and love it, or i sometimes carry a 3" ruger sp101 in .357 mag. glocks though are great carry guns, very reliable. I had a glock 19 and after 1000 rounds never had a single jam, wish I still had it, but i do love my colt . I took my chl at www.mytxchl.com and it was pretty cheap

if you are only going to have 1 handgun, get a 9mm. You'll go broke trying to buy .40's, .357 sigs, and .45's to plink at the range. The above advice on the G19 is great if you can COMFORTABLY conceal a gun of that size. It's not large, just bigger than the Kahr, Kel-tec and other similar. The G26 is smaller and easier to hide, and you can get extended mags to make it more comfortable in the hand for range time. I have a G22 because I just had to have one. My carry is a S&W 637 (Airweight .38 with the exposed hammer) and a Kel-Tec .320

I disagree with the first part of this. My Sig 239 came as a .40S&W, but I have BAR-STO drop-in barrels in .357 and 9mm, using the .40 mags. So, 1 gun and three calibers. Also, some Glocks will do the same thing IF the guns where originally a .40S&W.

American Made and dont be afraid to spend a little

I'm by no means a Glock fan, but you need to get some better info on there capabilities because they have a higher parts cominality across the board than any other Gun period, so what calliber it was orriginally has nothing to do with it.

Sig Sauer themselves will tell you you can't reliably interchange magazines on there single stack guns, being at the Range on Qual days I can assure you I have seen quite a few guns malfunction from not using caliber specific magazines and the P239 is one of the worst.The Doublestack P226 and P229 are another story they can reliably do that all day long. In addition while the .357sig and .40sw use a very simular recoil spring the 9mm can't reliably function with that strong of a spring without +P or +p+ ammuntion, have seen it first hand on Both Glock and Sig's.

That Test was invented by the Us Military for the Xm Pistol Trials in the 80's which both Sig Sauer and Beretta Passed with Flying Colors, they just don't pour it like coolaid down everybodys throat, Last I checked both are used by some of the Most Elite Units This World has Ever Seen.

OP Check out the Sig P239 and Glock 26 both in 9mm as that will allow you to train with it and become profecient.

I agree that glocks are super tough, but the HK USP has been put though some pretty hard tests as well.

This is taken from Wiki, but it's a sited reference.







As the USP was developed at the same time as the SOCOM MK23, the pistol underwent much of the same rigorous testing. The barrel is cold-forged from chromium steel for increased life. USP barrels post-1994 use a polygonal profile, whereas 1994 and earlier models utilize traditional 'land and grooves' rifling. During testing, a bullet was deliberately lodged in a USP barrel. Another cartridge was then fired into the obstructing bullet. The second bullet cleared the barrel, resulting in a barely noticeable bulge. The pistol was then fired for accuracy and the resulting group measured less than 4 inches at 25 meters.[18]Temperature testing required the USP be frozen to −42 °C and fired, frozen again, and then be heated up to 67 °C and fired. These temperature tests were continually repeated with no adverse effects on the USP.[18]

The gun was also subjected to NATO MIL-SPEC mud and rain tests, which were passed without difficulty. Water immersion and salt spray also presented no problems. German Navy combat divers have used the USP for two years without any signs of corrosion.Safety testing exceeded the ANSI/SAAMI requirements adopted in May 1990. These included dropping a USP with a primed cartridge and decocked hammer on a variety of hard surfaces without discharging. The USP surpassed these commercial requirements, as well as German Army and police tests, including repeated drop tests from six feet (1.8 m), hammer first, onto a steel backed concrete slab. Proof round firing resulted in no cracks, deformations, or increase in head space. Attempts to fire the USP pistol with an unlocked breech proved unsuccessful.

Testing with a variety of ammunition proved the USP meets these high standards. During the USP testing phase, it was shown the recoil-reduction system reduces the force on the USP grip to approximately 300 newtons (67 pounds-force). Peak force shock on competing .40 caliber polymer and metal framed pistols was around 5,000 newtons (1,100 pounds-force). The primary benefit of low peak shock is a decrease in wear and tear on pistol components, a great concern with the +P cartridge in 9 mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. Reduction of peak shock forces also contributes to softer recoil for the shooter, although these "felt recoil" values are much more subjective.

I'd still like to see some COMPARABLE tests. The one noted above isn't even close. Psychosmurf, where's the proof?

What do you mean not close? What kind of tests would you like to see. Really it's about what works best for each person. I don't carry my USP, It's full size, has a big threaded barrel etc etc. I carry my 26 and my Sig Pro on most days.

Well, pardon me. I guess i'm just to stupid to know what I have, as well as others, and what we have been doing for several years doesn't work. My bad. Carry on.
psychosmurf, i guess someone needs to call Bar-Sto and let them know also that it can't be done.
http://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=SSB
http://www.barsto.com/FAQs.cfm?C1=8

Proofs in the Pudding of whom uses each, Sig Sauer is in the inventory of most all Modern SF Military Units, as Well as Most Elite LE/GOV Agency's and its not because there low bid as generally there the highest bid on contracts yet there still chosen. I have a P226 that almost as old as I am that had a documented 25K rounds fired through it over its 23 years of service as a Family Members Sidearm, since then I have put nearly 5K through it myself. Again Not saying Glocks are bad guns but there also not the best either.

Proof of the test can be found just about anywhere.

Not saying yours does not work, as obviously it works for you to what extent I don't know.

I do however know that I have seen numerous issues stemming form Just Barrel swaps on that Platform, I do know Sig Sauer themselves Teaches in there own Instruction courses that on the P239 you need to use caliber specific magazines, I also know using a 40S&W Recoil Spring for a weaker powered 9MM is not a great idea either for reliability. So if it works for you run it all day long and be happy you don't need anything else, but When Sig Sauer Recommends something as a Manufacture to prevent the very problems I see happen when there advice is not headed, I tend to listen and Fallow as my life may depend on my weapon and I want it to work especially when its only a few dollars in parts.

I also know for a Fact that on the Standard Frame Glock you can make caliber changes based on 1 of 2 principals.

Standard Frame 9MM - Conversion to 40S&W .357sig Vice/Versa
= Barrel Swap, Recommended Extractor and plunger spring / buffer, and magazines.

Standard Frame 40S&W to .357sig or Vice/Versa
Barrel only

Again When Glock as a Manufacture recommends to change key parts for function I would listen to them not somebody who makes aftermarket parts.