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Re: Just curious, after another year of antler restrcitions: [Re: rifleman] #2038030 01/20/11 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: rifleman
Farmer Joe on Sawmill Rd said so clap


Just who's side are you on anyway? confused2


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And by the way, the whole mind set in east texas was totally wrong. There was a ton of us out there that were sick to death of putting our time and effort into proper management pratices only to have the guys (so called meat hunters) all around us shoot every deer that walked out. It real hard to sit and pass up nice 2.5 to 3.5 year old deer year after year knowing they will get shot as soon as they cross the fence. But we continued to do so for 15 years and now we have some help. So yes those of us who have been doing it properly for sometime now are glad our work and patience has paid off and are thankful for the help from tpwd. Minus the spike and 2 doe tags.


I know, it sux when "your neighbors" shoot deer you think they shouldn't even if they are legal or more specifically, shoot your deer.


No one said anything about them being "my" deer. Shooting a young buck is just bad management. Wheres the frigging challenge in that. Shoot a mature buck or go home without one or kill a doe. I never understood people who think its ok to shoot an immature buck. Lets face it none us hunt because its the only way to put food on the table. Its for the challenge, the camp life (relaxation) and the hunt. Emphasis being on the hunt. How hard is it to throw up a feeder and stand and kill an young buck. Its not, and i was tired of seeing all my efforts wasted by the "meat hunters" next to us. I put meat hunters in quotations because what they really are is lazy hunters.


So to you from the way I read this, the "hunt" as you call it is about the kill now right?

All camp life and other things that are associated with hunting yes, ultimately its about the kill. Its why we hunt isnt it?
The hunt is the challenge and experience of killing a mature animal. One thats a worthy advisary. When we are kids a young buck was a worthy advisary and my first buck was a 2.5 year old eight point. Lets face it we are all adults now and its human nature to want to challenge yourself. anything less in my eyes is lazyness. but if killing young bucks satisfies you then more power to you. I am just putting my point of view on here just like the rest of you. Sorry if you dont agree with it.


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It seems you are also saying anyone who doesn't share your point of view is lazy or less of a hunter.


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Re: Just curious, after another year of antler restrcitions: [Re: Curly] #2038096 01/20/11 12:18 AM
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Farmer Joe on Sawmill Rd said so clap


Just who's side are you on anyway? confused2


the side that lets folks shoot what they want as long as it's within the bag limit...a legit bag limit. (I just remember that from the BP debategrin)


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so let me hear your point of view. Instead of just mocking everyone on here. Why do you hunt?


Re: Just curious, after another year of antler restrcitions: [Re: jbs8307] #2038102 01/20/11 12:21 AM
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jbs8307...I am curious as to how old are you and how long have you been "hunting"?



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Re: Just curious, after another year of antler restrcitions: [Re: jbs8307] #2038114 01/20/11 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: jbs8307
so let me hear your point of view. Instead of just mocking everyone on here. Why do you hunt?

Also just curious as to whose ethics and morals should we choose to hunt by? The ones we were raised with or yours? Just curious.



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Dude, did you really ask Curly for his point of view on AR's? I'll summarize. He hates them worse than I do.


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Sorry, replied to wrong guy.....


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Sorry, replied to wrong guy.....

up Understood before you reposted.



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what does that have to do with anything? Does my age make my opinion worth any less?


Re: Just curious, after another year of antler restrcitions: [Re: jbs8307] #2038133 01/20/11 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: jbs8307
so let me hear your point of view. Instead of just mocking everyone on here. Why do you hunt?


Where have you been? My point of view has been stated many times. Hunt how you want as long as you keep it legal and do not shove your way of hunting down my throat if I hunt legal and don't hunt like you do, big deal. I enjoy getting out, being with friends and family and taking legal deer. If I get lucky enough to bag a trophy then great but if I don't I'll be glad to take a legal deer period. If you disagree with anything I said then fine but do not talk down to me. I ain't lazy, I bust my butt year after year to have a successful hunt which to me is to get venison and as long as I accomplish that legally, there should be nothing wrong with it.


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Re: Just curious, after another year of antler restrcitions: [Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)] #2038135 01/20/11 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)
Dude, did you really ask Curly for his point of view on AR's? I'll summarize. He hates them worse than I do.

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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)
Dude, did you really ask Curly for his point of view on AR's? I'll summarize. He hates them worse than I do.

No i asked him why he hunts? I think we all know everyone that visits this site's opinion on ars. Its been beatin to death about twice a week since they implemented them.


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so let me hear your point of view. Instead of just mocking everyone on here. Why do you hunt?

Also just curious as to whose ethics and morals should we choose to hunt by? The ones we were raised with or yours? Just curious.


Well apparently.......


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Sorry, replied to wrong guy.....

Sig, I have a question for you since I do not know the answer to this. I do not have to deal with ARs since under MLD. We have to have a management plan in effect and do census to get tags. Does TPW not do the census anymore in your counties? In the 70's or so no census was done by landowners but as a landowner we had to go to the county to get our doe tags. The land we owned was south of a state HWY and we were allowed 1 doe tag for every 250 acres and step across that same HWY and we could get 1 for every 50 acres. Do you think that type of system would help you area? Would a co-op with larger numbers of people and more voice involved be an option to get relief for you? Just curious.



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Originally Posted By: jbs8307
what does that have to do with anything? Does my age make my opinion worth any less?

Just curious no big deal. Your age will tell about a lot of things and you opinion is just that your opinion and it is yours to speak just as mine is mine to speak.



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We are ARs but also on LAMPS and we have to fill out and send in a census every year on deer we have taken. In 30 years, it has not changed the amount of doe permits we get every year. 3 per 200 acres.


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Originally Posted By: Curly
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so let me hear your point of view. Instead of just mocking everyone on here. Why do you hunt?


Where have you been? My point of view has been stated many times. Hunt how you want as long as you keep it legal and do not shove your way of hunting down my throat if I hunt legal and don't hunt like you do, big deal. I enjoy getting out, being with friends and family and taking legal deer. If I get lucky enough to bag a trophy then great but if I don't I'll be glad to take a legal deer period. If you disagree with anything I said then fine but do not talk down to me. I ain't lazy, I bust my butt year after year to have a successful hunt which to me is to get venison and as long as I accomplish that legally, there should be nothing wrong with it.

When i made my first comment i wasn't talking to you. I just posted my general point of view. It wasn't until you made the "your deer" comment that i quoted anything you said.

Thats why i hunt too. Its the only time i get to see alot of my family. Im not trying to shove my way of hunting down your throat. I could care less what you do on your lease and I wasnt trying to talk down to you, you seem like a great guy. We actually agree on ars for the most part. I just dont appreciate being mocked for having a different opinion.


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so let me hear your point of view. Instead of just mocking everyone on here. Why do you hunt?


Where have you been? My point of view has been stated many times. Hunt how you want as long as you keep it legal and do not shove your way of hunting down my throat if I hunt legal and don't hunt like you do, big deal. I enjoy getting out, being with friends and family and taking legal deer. If I get lucky enough to bag a trophy then great but if I don't I'll be glad to take a legal deer period. If you disagree with anything I said then fine but do not talk down to me. I ain't lazy, I bust my butt year after year to have a successful hunt which to me is to get venison and as long as I accomplish that legally, there should be nothing wrong with it.

When i made my first comment i wasn't talking to you. I just posted my general point of view. It wasn't until you made the "your deer" comment that i quoted anything you said.

Thats why i hunt too. Its the only time i get to see alot of my family. Im not trying to shove my way of hunting down your throat. I could care less what you do on your lease and I wasnt trying to talk down to you, you seem like a great guy. We actually agree on ars for the most part. I just dont appreciate being mocked for having a different opinion.

Point taken but I didn't like being called lazy because, yes, I consider myself a meat hunter, therefore I felt like I was being called lazy. The point about calling them "your deer" well that's probably my bad because I was raised as long as your neighbors are hunting legally, you have nothing to say even if you don't like the fact that they are shooting a young buck or doe as long as they are within the TP&W laws, you don't own the deer so basically, mind your own business, shut up and hunt (not directing that at you at all, just a general statement on how I was raised hunting). grin


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The solution is right in front of all of you that dont think the regulations are working. Its the mld program. I dont understand how anyone could feel as strongly about something and not go out and do something about it.


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so let me hear your point of view. Instead of just mocking everyone on here. Why do you hunt?


Where have you been? My point of view has been stated many times. Hunt how you want as long as you keep it legal and do not shove your way of hunting down my throat if I hunt legal and don't hunt like you do, big deal. I enjoy getting out, being with friends and family and taking legal deer. If I get lucky enough to bag a trophy then great but if I don't I'll be glad to take a legal deer period. If you disagree with anything I said then fine but do not talk down to me. I ain't lazy, I bust my butt year after year to have a successful hunt which to me is to get venison and as long as I accomplish that legally, there should be nothing wrong with it.

When i made my first comment i wasn't talking to you. I just posted my general point of view. It wasn't until you made the "your deer" comment that i quoted anything you said.

Thats why i hunt too. Its the only time i get to see alot of my family. Im not trying to shove my way of hunting down your throat. I could care less what you do on your lease and I wasnt trying to talk down to you, you seem like a great guy. We actually agree on ars for the most part. I just dont appreciate being mocked for having a different opinion.

Point taken but I didn't like being called lazy because, yes, I consider myself a meat hunter, therefore I felt like I was being called lazy.


Well i apologize for that then.


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Originally Posted By: jbs8307
The solution is right in front of all of you that dont think the regulations are working. Its the mld program. I dont understand how anyone could feel as strongly about something and not go out and do something about it.


so we should go and shoot 80-100 does on that 5000 acres like their state biologist suggested?


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Originally Posted By: jbs8307
The solution is right in front of all of you that dont think the regulations are working. Its the mld program. I dont understand how anyone could feel as strongly about something and not go out and do something about it.

They just don't hand out MLD cause someone wants them. It takes years of records and a management plan to get one. If you do not have enough acres then it is even tougher. Pooling ranches and acres might help but can be tough to get everyone in agreement to do so and then getting follow through would be tougher also. Get a TPW biologist who is a newbie and make it x5 tougher to get an MLD. You are very lucky if you have MLD on LF property.



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