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LOL, i gotta remember that one.

Hold on big guy, don't get your knickers in a twist and don't jump to conclusions. It's true i've never filmed a show, nor have i ever tried to film a show. Not my thing. Kinda like when i went into the bar business with my father in-law. Didn't take me long to figure out I'm allot better off in front of the bar than behind it. If you have made a film, or are in the hunting show business, your making a big mistake chastising us. If you haven't figured it out yet, we're the ones determine whether that show, or your show is a hit, and i would suggest you pay close attention to what we say. You can have the best hunter, the best equipment and the best director and still have a flop show, simply by not paying attention to what we, the audience your targeting, want to see. I've been in business for many years and have been relatively successful at it, and i credit it to one thing. Paying very careful attention to what my customers needs and wants are, and delivering exactly that, even when I'd rather try it a different way.

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don't think any of your mugs have been on the TV screen lately!

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Wrong again, in fact i was on one this year with a close friend of yours or at least i think he's a close friend. In fact i didn't see any director or fancy equipment, he did the interviews and filmed the whole thing by himself, and i believe he, his fans, and forum members all agree it was probably his best show ever. I certainly do, and it wasn't because my ugly mug was on camera. It was because he kept it real. I think very highly of the man, and his is definitely not one of the shows I'm criticizing.

If you are in the hunting show business or any other business, learn to take criticisms and use them to your advantage.


One more thing! I notice your a rep for Academy, so i have to ask you a question. Do you think, your coming on an open forum and making comments such as these, to the very people your trying to attract as customers, is it beneficial or detrimental to Academy?

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Apparently.... none of you guys have ever FILMED a TV show before. At least... don't think any of your mugs have been on the TV screen lately!

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If you think you can do a better job... then by all means... make your own video and send it in...!

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Business is frighteningly similar to politics, saying the wrong thing, to the wrong people, can end careers.

Keith's show is not one I'm talking about.

the only shows i watch are the bird hunting shows, except for that one show that had Miranda Lambert on a few weeks back...WOW

I will not watch a upland hunting show that is filmed on a presearve. There is one show that I really try to like, it is just all about the dogs, but every show they film is on a "kick and shoot" type place. drives me up the wall

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& for that Tif chick.

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Sorry Maggie, but after seeing the show where they were bow hunting the flying fish, i don't really care if she can hunt at all.

I may be a geezer, but I'm not blind.

have you ever seen Crossing Country? that is my favorite show

Don't believe i have. My personal favorite is Jim Shockey.

I have a little perspective to add here.. I HAVE been involved in filming hunts, and let me tell you-IT'S HARD! So many times the right 'shots' just don't present themselves, and in order to re-create the details of the hunt, you have to re-enact some parts of what happened. I don't think anybody does this to fool anybody, and I do admit the tracking down a dead deer sequences can be a bit cheesy, but it's all necessary to try to recreate the hunt. This is not even to mention how hard it is to hunt with another person who HAS to move at least a little bit in order to get footage that isn't just a constant picture of one part of the scenery. Then you have the added scent on top of the movement, the need for the shooter to wait till the cameraman has everything in the frame, AND trying to set up a good stand that allows the shooter a good position but also allows the camera to see the same thing the shooter sees.

Of course, all this is based on the hardships of filming a hunt, but all that contributes/limits the good footage available from any one hunt, which means sometimes you have to fill in the gaps from what the camera either didn't catch when everything was 'going down' or some botched peice of footage because there was a stick/leaf/bug on the lens..etc. That doesn't address what behaviors should or shouldn't be allowed into the final video of course..Bubba spittin' a big ol' tobacky plug out before telling about how he whacked porky pig doesn't usually show well on film even though some might think the blood would be worse! So that gets cut out and then everybody starts over. Oops, Jethro got tongue-tied...start over again. Dangit, Uncle Jed, zip your fly up-this is going on the tellyvision!! You get the idea.

As far as showing a hunter leaving a deer overnight goes, considering how normal a practice that is, I think if the 'producers' (term used loosely) of the video would add in a voice-over saying why they're leaving the deer overnight, it's fine! Hunting shows are certainly meant to be viewed by hunters, but I do think that an explanation of anything that might be construed as 'incongruous' to the non-hunter should be added!

If things go right this year, I'll be the one behind the camera for awhile and I'm sure I'll be needing all the patience I can get! None of y'all have seen the videos that I've been involved with, although you may have seen some kill shots if you went by the Foxpro booth at the Hunter's Extravaganza this weekend.. I'm only a SMALL contributor on those by the way!! I hope to help Guess get some hunting videos created and it's all about getting out and getting the footage! Let me say here that I'm blessed to be friends with Guess and his family, and I know that when his videos come out, they'll be great! Well, except for the bald guy that kinda stutters sometimes..

Admittedly, there are things that make me laugh about the big shows, some that make me scratch my head as well, but having 'been there' a few times I definitely know that to produce a video is NO cakewalk!

Oh and HWYMAN has it 100% correct! When you have a product you need to listen to what your customers say! Once a show becomes a regular, it only stays that way by listening to the people that watch it. Same deal as with any other business!

I usually enjoy all the hunting shows with the exception of one guy. I realize these shows are entertainment; not documentaries. I'm okay with scene re-creation. I'm okay with tracking a deer that they've already found, positioned, and cleaned the blood off of. I'm watching for entertainment and to some extent, to fantasize that I'm the hunter. In a heartbeat you can usually tell how many of the deer have already had glass taxidermy eyes put in so the real eyes don't look shrunken and dead. So what? The only guy that I don't care too much for is the one (his name doesn't come to mind) that is always hyperventilating and about to pee all over himself after the shot. Having said that, I did see a scene where he was bow-stalking a big Grizzley on the ground and it stood up and faced him at less than 20 yards. He stood his ground and made a killing shot so I give him credit for his courage; just not some of his acting. I doubt that there is a show on the market that hasn't got some scene re-creation and heavy editing done. It's TV for goodness sake!

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and let me tell you-IT'S HARD!

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I agree, any job done right usually is, and i respect those that don't take short cuts.

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If things go right this year, I'll be the one behind the camera for awhile and I'm sure I'll be needing all the patience I can get!

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I hope we get to see some of your work, congratulations.

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Well said.


One more little thing i would recommend to those in the business. Back off of the back ground music. Those of us who have spent 30 plus years behind shotguns, don't hear like we used to, and the music sometimes drowns out the voices.

That is all. Rant over.

PH,

If you are talking about Roger Raglin, I can tell you that all that excitement that you see on video is real and not an act. The guy is completly eat up with the hunting bug, and he is just like that in real life if you even mention the word "hunting" to him.

I remember sitting in on one of his seminars a while back and the guy gets so worked up just talking about hunting that you would think he was high on something. I have to admire someone that can still get that excited over not only hunting, but also just talking about it.

The guy is the real deal, and not an actor!

I can't say I like it too much on any of these shows where the hunter and cameraman jump up and down, whooping it up and high-fiving each other like they just caught the winning pass at the Superbowl. More ammo for the PETA crowd.

Welcome to The Forum. Don't feel like your alone in that boat, lots of folks don't like all the victory celebration crap.

HWY_MAN....
Gee, if my nickers were in a wad... yours must have been vacuum packed and suddenly exploded! Also, did not realize that you were the self-appointed censor for this Forum!

I made my comment after having read several threads before, and that were much more eggregious in nature, and much more tritely aimed at the persons making those comments.

As to that allegedly "close personal friend" filming his own shows, I don't have any clue whatsoever to whom you are referring...!

Additionally, after reading your responses that you have made to others subsequent to my comment, perhaps YOU should have thought out your thread topic much more completely before you posted it, as your comments will do much more harm to this Forum by forcing people from not responding to these type subjects....or... at worse.... leaving this Forum altogether!

Sounds like you've been riding one too many wind generators out there in Big Spring!

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Guilty as charged, no need for OC or a Taser, I'll go quietly.

Making suggestions and critiquing hunting shows is being a self-appointed censor?

Didn't learn a thing, did ya?

Just proves you can lead a horse to water.

Yep... guess so!

WHERE'S MY SIGN?!?!?!?

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as your comments will do much more harm to this Forum by forcing people from not responding to these type subjects....or... at worse.... leaving this Forum altogether!

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Yea and yours are gonna have us flooding into Academy.

It's not Roger Raglin. This guy has his own show and also hunts with the Realtree guys. He's also on the Block Party TV commercial. I don't know why I can't think of his name. He usually hunts in a leafy camo suit and almost always says someting like "Oh my gosh, I just shot a huge whitetail" and he's panting and carrying on.

Another thing I wish more shows would do is show sub-titles when the hunter is whispering.

Sub-titles would be great!!