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Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: djones] #2032183 01/18/11 12:58 PM
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Here is an idea for all the landowners that wish they could get rid of their hogs!

First of all don't ask the hunters to pay over $100 just to shoot one!

Require that the hunters have liability insurance to cover the property and your lifestock and yourself or any others who might step onto your property, and have them sign any waivers that frees you of any liabilty for their stupidity.

Nobody should have to pay the outrageous fees that landowners are asking to hunt them, when you are doing them a favor by helping to rid their land of a pest when in fact the land owner should pay a bounty to the hunter if he does a good job.

That's my opinion for the day!




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Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.
Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: Jimbo] #2032689 01/18/11 03:57 PM
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the problem you run into is those waivers aren't worth the paper they are printed on.


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You had better know pretty well the people you let hunt on your property nowadays.



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Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: djones] #2032975 01/18/11 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: djones
I am very fond of hogs. I collect them. They have such cute faaaaaces.
hahahah!!


Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: texaspride93] #2032982 01/18/11 05:39 PM
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they aint goin no were!


Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: texaspride93] #2032989 01/18/11 05:42 PM
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I really like to hunt hogs, but i know a lot of people who make their living farming or ranching. When the hogs tear up their hay fields and crop land, they end up tearing up their equipment trying to bale hay or harvest crops. Many have tried trapping or hunting them, but it usually turns out to be a short term solution. So as much as I like hunting hogs I feel bad for the guys who have to constantly deal with them tearing up their land.


Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: krhunt] #2033154 01/18/11 06:29 PM
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Don't mind them too much! Then again I ain't a farmer! They never have cost me any money in damage plus they pass the time when deer hunting is slow. I like a mixed bag of game, just saying!



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Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: pnh] #2033220 01/18/11 06:53 PM
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As a person who makes a living as a rancher, I detest hogs! The only good hog is a dead hog! They serve no useful purpose IMO. No, there is no way in which I'm just glad they're here! Yeah, I'd miss em alright, like a hemorrhoid!


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Nothing good about them. The ones are my lease are even terrible to eat. Even the young ones are tough as shoe leather. I try to let the big boars go but then "the only good hog is a dead one kicks in". Dropped a 200+ boar with my auto 22 LR this year. Lots of fun. Put one in his ear at 60 yards and then the 5th or 6th put him down about 30 yards from the stand.



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Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: Stump_jumper] #2033283 01/18/11 07:12 PM
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For those who think the rancher should pay the hunter to come out and rid the hogs for them is a little mistaken. I do agree that some of the prices are outrageous, especially considering most Texas hunters have had plenty of shots on hogs. Hunters in Colorado don't have that chance. On another note, if you visit our ranch and want to shoot hogs for $100 Jimbo it won't happen. They are plentiful and a problem, but the ranch costs a lot of money each year. Put it this way, you take the kids to Six Flags or take the family to a Rangers game you will spend $100 plus. We do appreciate the hog help, but there is a premium to pay for spending a great weekend on a beautiful ranch hunting for anything. I see your side, but you would feel the same way if the cost of a ranch was coming out of your pocket. I don't mean to be blunt, but it's my opinion.



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Law Offers Landowners Relief Against Hunting Liability

By: Texas Parks and Wildlife
Posted on: 07/25/03


Whether it's negotiating a deer or dove hunting lease or just getting access to a neighbor's ranch, the issue of liability can sometimes be an obstacle. But it doesn't have to be.

According to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, those concerns may be based more in perception than reality. Current law actually provides some liability protection for landowners who lease land to others for recreational purposes, including hunting. However, a recent survey showed many Texas landowners are unaware of liability limits put in place by state lawmakers.

The law considers anyone whom a landowner gives permission to use his property for recreation, including fee-paying hunters, school children, mountain bikers or bird watchers, as a recreational guest. Under this definition, landowners are not required to issue warnings about dangerous conditions on their property, inspect their property or make repairs to dangerous conditions.

The law does not exempt landowners from all liability, but does provide a cap for any claim as long as the income derived from recreational use fees falls within a certain framework. A new amendment to the law, HB 408 passed by the 78th Texas Legislature, increases the allowable recreational use fee income from four times to 20 times the total ad valorem tax assessed on the premises during the previous year. Landowners are required to purchase liability insurance coverage equal to the caps and those premiums are often included in a lease fee.

Landowners can also use waivers, or legal documents signed by guests, intended to release the landowner from liability. Waivers must meet certain criteria to be valid; before using a waiver, landowners should consult with an attorney.



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Originally Posted By: Gamer
Law Offers Landowners Relief Against Hunting Liability

By: Texas Parks and Wildlife
Posted on: 07/25/03


Whether it's negotiating a deer or dove hunting lease or just getting access to a neighbor's ranch, the issue of liability can sometimes be an obstacle. But it doesn't have to be.

According to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, those concerns may be based more in perception than reality. Current law actually provides some liability protection for landowners who lease land to others for recreational purposes, including hunting. However, a recent survey showed many Texas landowners are unaware of liability limits put in place by state lawmakers.

The law considers anyone whom a landowner gives permission to use his property for recreation, including fee-paying hunters, school children, mountain bikers or bird watchers, as a recreational guest. Under this definition, landowners are not required to issue warnings about dangerous conditions on their property, inspect their property or make repairs to dangerous conditions.

The law does not exempt landowners from all liability, but does provide a cap for any claim as long as the income derived from recreational use fees falls within a certain framework. A new amendment to the law, HB 408 passed by the 78th Texas Legislature, increases the allowable recreational use fee income from four times to 20 times the total ad valorem tax assessed on the premises during the previous year. Landowners are required to purchase liability insurance coverage equal to the caps and those premiums are often included in a lease fee.

Landowners can also use waivers, or legal documents signed by guests, intended to release the landowner from liability. Waivers must meet certain criteria to be valid; before using a waiver, landowners should consult with an attorney.


most important part of that.


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This is true, but it is better than it used to be when full liability was on the land owner, even if a poacher was hurt.



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Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: Gamer] #2033376 01/18/11 07:42 PM
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depends on what all the circumstances are.. place I used to hunt on has gotten filed on by a road construction company after one of their dump trucks fell through a bridge into an oxbow lake. Rumor has it, it's not going to end up good for that land owner.

and been another case that paid out for some folks where a lease member was mowing along a train track and rolled a tractor over and it killed him.

and a cpl where folks have been taken off their 4wheelers by cable-style gates. One I know was a lease member on the place it happened on, another was some kid riding where he shouldn't have been.


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You have some great points and examples. We have the waiver, insurance, etc. so I hope that never happens to anyone anywhere. I just think some of that responsibility should fall on the neglegence of the guest or leasee.



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no doubt about that up


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Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: Gamer] #2036778 01/19/11 06:55 PM
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You have some great points and examples. We have the waiver, insurance, etc. so I hope that never happens to anyone anywhere. I just think some of that responsibility should fall on the neglegence of the guest or leasee.


You are absolutely correct but when lawyers jump in people tend to change their minds. There are a ton of cases where the injured person or there heirs decided not to sue until a lawyer talked them in to it.



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I'll gladly pay to come shoot your problem hogs. I'll give you $25 each. How does that sound?


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Hate em. For everyone you shoot, another 50 seem to mass produce overnight.

If I could figure out a way to launch a grenade into a pasture full of em, I'd do it.



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Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: Slow Drifter] #2040007 01/20/11 04:43 PM
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I view them as a tastey target that keeps my shooting skills honed throughout the year. I hog hunt probably 100 days a year and would be really unhappy if they were to just disappear.

But then I don't have croplands that are being devastated by them either.



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As a ranch owner I have yet to see them as a big problem. It just gives me one more thing to hunt through out the year.


Re: So who really hates hogs? [Re: pnh] #2049506 01/23/11 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: pnh
I don't think the majority of people realize how destructive hogs are to property, not to mention other wildlife. We did send men to the moon!


Well said. I live outside of Albany and they tear up a lot more than crops. They will also kill fawns(I have seen this with my own eyes) they are always rooting so they destroy quail and turkey nest, one of the many reasons we have lost our quail population and our turkey numbers are low. they raid cattle feeders and liquid feeders, they muddy up or destroy water holes. In my opinion all of those far outweigh they are fun to shoot. I have got them under control finally on my land and if I see one on a camera or while feeding cattle it gets shot. Very rarely see any now even though they are everywhere around us.
I agree about the landowners complaining about them and wanting 100.00 to hunt. Doesn't make sense, I invited a lot of people out to hunt them when they were bad and it worked to get them under control. If they ever get out of control again I will invite more hunters out for free.


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