Well there you go!

that just ticked me off, b/c of the lack of info, it told me they trashed a lot of data they received if it wasn't in a user friendly format.

how wide does this one look?

9"

3.5 <13" +8pt = dirt nap...

Good thing this was pre-antler restrictions:

Hoyt - the ear method suggested by TPWD is when they are erect and not spread.

game cam deer is legal, the one that was older spike would not be in the herd if shot year to two before when it was a spike and for all those saying killing a spike is bad wow it is ok to kill a 1 1/2yr 8 point but bad to kill a spike. It appears to me all the AR hates are all about the fact that they cant kill the young bucks

game cam deer is legal, the one that was older spike would not be in the herd if shot year to two before when it was a spike and for all those saying killing a spike is bad wow it is ok to kill a 1 1/2yr 8 point but bad to kill a spike. It appears to me all the AR hates are all about the fact that they cant kill the young bucks

Another side note. MLD properties dont have to follow the AR rules so enrole your land into it and a Biologist will develop the best harvest plan for your land.

game cam deer would have gotten you fined. 12 1/4", If you look close that "spike" actually has 3pts on each side making him a 6pt...a 186lb 6pt, but still a 6pt. I follow mgmt plans of properties, they say shoot, I shoot... whether I want to or not. MGMT plan I go by on family land and our own places are 5.5 minimum, no ifs, ands or buts....so that argument about AR haters doesn't hold true.

Property those latest deer were on have been on MLD for the longest. You will not find many (if any) leases in AR counties that have been strictly age-based managed as long as they have. I want no part of MLD until we get a better deer population...if we killed their suggested doe quotas we'de be back @ square 1 and still waiting on a huntable buck population.

just sayin'....

Yep, that's where southern red river county is right now, square one, almost ready for some transplants...

Like I said the one deer should have been shot before it got that old and it would have been a spike> The whole purpose of the AR is to protect the young bucks tell they are 3 1/2 so 5 1/2 is no problem> I to have hunted MLD and it boils down to herd health and hunter knowlege to better the herd by removing animals that are undesirable. Of course if it is a 100 acre place with 4 or 5 hunters then there is nothing that is going to help that, you can blame the AR for the lack of hunting or good hunting the place produces

So, just get a better lease? Or shoot a doe? Or get better neighbors?

We went from seeing 20 deer a day to none.


BTW, we haven't shot a buck off the place since AR's started....

Gotta love it

What happened with your neighbors to effect your hunting? How big is your place and how many guns total ? What are the ajoining places like gun per acer. This is the ratio that has the biggest single effect on what the deer hunting is like

Turkeyfantic till you hunt in the countys that are having the problems and the numbers are dropping every year you dont know squat. Every county is different. Some places it works and some it dont. Like vernon said we had plenty of deer in hopkins co. and now after 5yrs of AR and liberal bag limits we are lucky to see a deer while hunting. And didnt see a legal deer this year at all, not even a spike!

400 acres, virtually no neighbors, and the same neighbors since the 80's..... it's not something we just woke up and decided to hate AR's one morning... We have hunting the same area since the late 80's, seeing more deer every year until?????????

AR's (and their accompanying bag limit increases, and yes, they are together, came together, listed together, even the great TPWD website list them in the same paragraph)

No way to know what that deer was, the way the one side grew made me think he had some kind of injury. I'm blaming ARs for having flaws out the WA-ZOO

Hehe

I think the real reason you guys havent been seeing the numbers is because of that spike tag and those 2 doe tags. Im not saying its yall but the counties you guys have mentioned are known to be problem counties with iresponsible hunting and the whole brown its down mentality. After talking to sig, curly, seadog, and hoytman on this forum i know you gtuys arent the problem and i agree with you guys that there are flaws in the system. The spike tag is a huge problem. I have hunted tyler county and have seen first hand that most of your yearling (1.5) bucks are going to be spikes. You can decimate a population shooting every spike you see for five years in those areas. To add to it tpwd gives 2 doe tags. Thats is rediculous when compare herd density to hunter density in east texas. It just doesnt work that way. I know why tpwd gave all the tags. To pasify people so they could put the 13' inch rule in place. It needs to be changed but the 13' inch rule needs to stay. I honestly think if the spike tag was removed you guys would be seeing legal deer again.