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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: vanguard] #2015862 01/13/11 04:31 AM
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at least im not on the guberment dole




Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: TDK] #2015867 01/13/11 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: TDK
Just for grins, how do you think Rem barrels are made?


Hot hammer forged of course.



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I was at an Academy today. It was in Plano


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Did someone try to sell u a vanguard confused2


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Originally Posted By: Karnis
Originally Posted By: TDK
Just for grins, how do you think Rem barrels are made?


Hot hammer forged of course.



rofl


Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: BMD] #2015879 01/13/11 04:35 AM
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Can't you see a picture of it in his post? loco_too



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Originally Posted By: dieselgeek
I was at an Academy today. It was in Plano


Nice rig. What kind of plane did you use to get that barrel contour? eek



Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: Karnis] #2015888 01/13/11 04:38 AM
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thought it was chromemoly




Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: BMD] #2015889 01/13/11 04:38 AM
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Quote:
Hot hammer forged of course.


Well what do you know. So this hammer forging is done by most manufacturers? Little secret, these days its not the process of how its made, its how well its made in the process.



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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: TDK] #2015892 01/13/11 04:39 AM
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thought it was chromemoly


Chrome Moly refers to the type of steel, usually 4140. Hammer forging is the process in which the barrel is made...basically. Your hammer forged Howa barrel is Chrome Moly too.

Little metal brake down:
4140
4-indicates molybdenum
1-indicates Chromium
40-indicates 40 points of carbon content or .4% overall content


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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: TDK] #2015901 01/13/11 04:40 AM
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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: JCB] #2015917 01/13/11 04:44 AM
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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: TDK] #2015924 01/13/11 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: TDK
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thought it was chromemoly


Chrome Moly refers to the type of steel, usually 4140. Hammer forging is the process in which the barrel is made...basically. Your hammer forged Howa barrel is Chrome Moly too.


so when they say cold hammer forging as uppose to what




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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: TDK] #2015940 01/13/11 04:50 AM
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so what are all the proccesses of forging i know heat is one but weatherby states cold forging, is that special, hows remington and others do it.




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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: TDK] #2015955 01/13/11 04:55 AM
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Im guessing you are asking about other methods of forming the rifling.

Hammer forging be it cold or hot(one is formed hot, ones cold) requires very expensive tooling, but produces barrels at very low cost. This process is used by high volume operators such as manufacurers. In addition, you can form the chamber and the bore in one step.

Buttoned or cut rifling lends itself to producing lower quantities. These methods are used by custom barrel makers. This is the option if you want the best.

However, don't think hammer forged barrels are bad or inaccurate. hammer forging is just a fast process, but unlike button or cut rifling you dont get the attention to detail, so consistancy barrel-to-barrel varies more.


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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: vanguard] #2015959 01/13/11 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: vanguard
so what are all the proccesses of forging i know heat is one but weatherby states cold forging, is that special, hows remington and others do it.


Cold hammer forging is when the barrel blank is literally pounded onto a mandrel which has the rifling "imprint" and the metal is shaped by the hammers. No heat involved. Forging usually requires the use of heat.

Other methods are cut rifling, button rifling.....



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if I'm not mistaken the Mark Vs are buttoned.


Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: TDK] #2015988 01/13/11 05:12 AM
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I take it a remington isnt done that way, they run a cutting tool to do the rifling ?
Im thinking the hammer forge is better ?

Originally Posted By: TDK
Im guessing you are asking about other methods of forming the rifling.

Hammer forging be it cold or hot(one is formed hot, ones cold) requires very expensive tooling, but produces barrels at very low cost. This process is used by high volume operators such as manufacurers. In addition, you can form the chamber and the bore in one step.

Buttoned or cut rifling lends itself to producing lower quantities. These methods are used by custom barrel makers. This is the option if you want the best.

However, don't think hammer forged barrels are bad or inaccurate. hammer forging is just a fast process, but unlike button or cut rifling you dont get the attention to detail, so consistancy barrel-to-barrel varies more.





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Remington uses hammer forged rifle and shotgun barrels. Not sure if its hot or cold...

Now trying to argue what method is better...just depends. If you read my reply above and can think on your own you will start to see the benefits of each method depending on the situation.


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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: TDK] #2016014 01/13/11 05:22 AM
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when you go to leija barrels website they do a bore scope through a remington and show all kinds of tooling marks on the barrel, how can that be if its hammer forged.

http://www.riflebarrels.com/




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It all depends on the tooling used. ALL processes leave behind marks. This is only magnified by worn/damaged tooling, mandrels, cutters, improper setup, vibrations, debris, etc...Most machine marks can be removed via hand lapping or fire lapping the bore.






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Re: rem vs vanguard [Re: vanguard] #2016017 01/13/11 05:24 AM
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