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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: helomech] #1855801 11/22/10 08:44 PM
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It's not that hard. A school maintenance man showed me. He needed to do it often when kids changed locks or a lock failed. Hint: the newer aluminum cans are to soft to do this with. My sister teaches in a maximum security prison in Palestine and her students always say "locks are made to keep honest people out". Game wardens being the exception that proves the rule.



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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: whitetailwilly] #1855815 11/22/10 08:47 PM
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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: don k] #1856377 11/23/10 12:38 AM
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The GW can walk onto and check you/your property at any time! Generally there is nothing to worry about if you are abiding by the rules and laws!!! I like talking to GW's as long as they are telling me the correct info, lol!!!



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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: deerslayer78] #1856384 11/23/10 12:41 AM
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Combo locks can be opened as I've accidentally done it myself a fee times, lol!!!



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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: deerslayer78] #1856388 11/23/10 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: deerslayer78
The GW can walk onto and check you/your property at any time! Generally there is nothing to worry about if you are abiding by the rules and laws!!! I like talking to GW's as long as they are telling me the correct info, lol!!!


Not true they must have probable cause to come on your property just like any other LEO. Now if it's a game violation in quetion thats a different story.


Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: Nonsequitur] #1856742 11/23/10 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Nonsequitur
I agree with all of these replies that have to do with letting, and I mean 'letting' GW's on the land. The only time they can legally come on private property is when they, just as all law enforcement agents, have a reasonable doubt/belief that a crime is being committed.
Contrary to popular belief, a game warden has no more authority to come on private property without a warrant or the landowners permission other than his observance of a crime. (This does not disallow them watching through binocs.)If someone doesn't believe me, please post the law that says a game warden has the right to come on any private property anytime, anywhere he/she wants.
Please post the law that says a GW can walk a mile into your private property and just 'nose around'.
I'll wait.
But as to what I said before.... they are most welcome.
I, along with all my fellow family/hunters, have always SOUGHT OUT and told the local GW's and told them that they are always welcome.
My grandfather, on our old quail lease, had a tin shack with water and electricity so they could make coffee, or hot chocolate. (Heck of a lot closer than town.) Later, after they were invented, he put in a micro-wave for their breakfast burritos.
I WANT Gws on the property I hunt. I have, and never will, have a problem with being checked. That's what we PAY THEM FOR!
But please people, there is nowhere in the constitution that gives them any more leeway on private property than any other agency.
Please don't take me wrong, but the U.S. constitution still works for all government agencies, including the GW's.
God Bless Them.



Wrong in so many ways. Better check before speaking. It would take too log to list the reasons they may enter property during season. Think about this: What would lead a reasonable and prudent person to believe...... and the evidence factor of game is just one of those items.....Does a pole officer need to have probable cause to have a DWI/Drivers License check point? I think not.


Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: helomech] #1856754 11/23/10 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: helomech
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You sure about that nonsequitur? Pretty sure the GW has authority to go anywhere anytime, with or without reasonable cause of a crime. Can you post something that says otherwise?


Matt, they are required to have the same burden of proof as any other LEO. They can't just walk around on private property for no reason.


Wrong again detective...burden of proof comes later, after charges are files. This usually is a factor during a trial. The burden lies on the prosecution 51%. Sounds like you have been given some bad information.


Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: helomech] #1856759 11/23/10 02:43 AM
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You sure about that nonsequitur? Pretty sure the GW has authority to go anywhere anytime, with or without reasonable cause of a crime. Can you post something that says otherwise?


Matt, they are required to have the same burden of proof as any other LEO. They can't just walk around on private property for no reason.


I know they can't just go onto people's property for the heck of it, but they do not have to "observe" a crime being committed in order to gain access to your property.


Only if they have reason to believe hunting is going on. If not than they can not enter without probable cause.


What do you think they would believe during hunting season? They mainly are checking for correct documentation and licensing, not just to bust somebody.


Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: aussie1] #1856814 11/23/10 02:54 AM
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The GW can walk onto and check you/your property at any time! Generally there is nothing to worry about if you are abiding by the rules and laws!!! I like talking to GW's as long as they are telling me the correct info, lol!!!


Not true they must have probable cause to come on your property just like any other LEO. Now if it's a game violation in quetion thats a different story.



Again...they do not need PC to enter your property....


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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: Stinger13] #1856817 11/23/10 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: stinger13


What do you think they would believe during hunting season? They mainly are checking for correct documentation and licensing, not just to bust somebody.


I live on my property, just because hunting season is going on does not mean a dang thing.


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Originally Posted By: stinger13
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You sure about that nonsequitur? Pretty sure the GW has authority to go anywhere anytime, with or without reasonable cause of a crime. Can you post something that says otherwise?


Matt, they are required to have the same burden of proof as any other LEO. They can't just walk around on private property for no reason.


Wrong again detective...burden of proof comes later, after charges are files. This usually is a factor during a trial. The burden lies on the prosecution 51%. Sounds like you have been given some bad information.


You are wrong. So you are saying any law enforcement can go anywhere they want with no consequences until a trial?


Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: Stinger13] #1856834 11/23/10 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted By: stinger13
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I agree with all of these replies that have to do with letting, and I mean 'letting' GW's on the land. The only time they can legally come on private property is when they, just as all law enforcement agents, have a reasonable doubt/belief that a crime is being committed.
Contrary to popular belief, a game warden has no more authority to come on private property without a warrant or the landowners permission other than his observance of a crime. (This does not disallow them watching through binocs.)If someone doesn't believe me, please post the law that says a game warden has the right to come on any private property anytime, anywhere he/she wants.
Please post the law that says a GW can walk a mile into your private property and just 'nose around'.
I'll wait.
But as to what I said before.... they are most welcome.
I, along with all my fellow family/hunters, have always SOUGHT OUT and told the local GW's and told them that they are always welcome.
My grandfather, on our old quail lease, had a tin shack with water and electricity so they could make coffee, or hot chocolate. (Heck of a lot closer than town.) Later, after they were invented, he put in a micro-wave for their breakfast burritos.
I WANT Gws on the property I hunt. I have, and never will, have a problem with being checked. That's what we PAY THEM FOR!
But please people, there is nowhere in the constitution that gives them any more leeway on private property than any other agency.
Please don't take me wrong, but the U.S. constitution still works for all government agencies, including the GW's.
God Bless Them.



Wrong in so many ways. Better check before speaking. It would take too log to list the reasons they may enter property during season. Think about this: What would lead a reasonable and prudent person to believe...... and the evidence factor of game is just one of those items.....Does a pole officer need to have probable cause to have a DWI/Drivers License check point? I think not.


What is a pole officer?

And a DWI checkpoint stops all cars, not just one randomly. That is the difference and that is why it is lawful. If they pull over a single car with for no reason they will get sued, and they will loose.


Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: helomech] #1856892 11/23/10 03:09 AM
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A Pole Officer is one that was once a fireman that turned LEO bolt

Any it is Probable Cause and Reasonable Suspicion up


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As it was explained to me, the GW is checking the taking of game, part of his job. If he suspects someone is hunting on a place he can enter to check the tags and verify that no game laws are being broken. The same as DWI or insurance checkpoints.



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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: dogcatcher] #1856942 11/23/10 03:24 AM
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No DWI checkpoints in Texas


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How about insurance or license checks? I haven't seen either one of those in long time, at least 15 years.



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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: kingranch] #1856967 11/23/10 03:32 AM
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When I lived in Sabinal, the Chief of Police told me they liked to have a GW along when they were making drug and illegal ... wetback stops.

According to him. all a GW has to say is " probable cause" for whatever reason and they are in like flint.

They made a lot of busts and they all stuck, you take it from there.

I have been told by several LEO that a GW has a little more leeway that any other in LEO TX.



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our game warden has our combo, no big deal. he comes by camp now and just hangs out and talks like an old friend. helooked at my deer weekend before last and ask did i fill out the harvest log on the back of my licsense. i said yes sir would u like to look at it. he just said no, but i might next time! he is a verry nice guy.



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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: Bobby B] #1857023 11/23/10 03:56 AM
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I always wondered if maybe the GWs had copies of the keys to the power company's locks that are on a lot of gates?



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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: helomech] #1857157 11/23/10 04:37 AM
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All this is covered in Texas statutes, Parks and Wildlife code chapter 12.
Section. 12.102 Inspection of wildlife resources.
Section. 12.103 Entering land.
Section. 12.104 Right to search and inspect.


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Rustler that is good information. Those statutes govern what can/cannot be done in enforcing wildlife laws.

Game wardens are not "super agents" with any special authority above and beyond any other LEO. They cannot enter upon private property or search any enclosed container without either:

1)Consent;or

2)Probable cause to believe a violation may have occurred.

In other words,the Constitution applies to then just like every other officer.

That said,the vast majority of people have no problem with game wardens coming on their property and/or inspecting their coolers,game bags,etc. and freely consent to do so. That is my approach because I have nothing to hide. Even those that do have something to hide either don't know they can refuse consent or are so intimidated they give consent 99% of the time.



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don't see that location every day.


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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