BCs are cheaper at Dicks than Academy...might be the only thing cheaper at Dicks.

There have been at least 20 BC threads in the last two years on here.

Personally I view them like many other more expensive products. Take a hunting coat for example...you can buy a cheap game winner one for $60 or a $300 Under Armor one. Will you still be able to hunt in either...yeah...is the UA one better...sure but is it 5 times better...no. You will always pay a premium for something that's just a little better.

First off we have not established Black clouds are better. Just because they are 3 times the dollar amount does not make them better than any other shell. Every year we mull this over I know. If I owned a company that marketed to the public, the first thing I would do is recruit a market manager. Preferably the one who has marketed Black Cloud shells. Nice box and nice videos of spectacular kills and laying the money on an endorsement (we all know who). Fantastic, I can't hate them for making a nickel or two. I just aint about to fall for a market scheme that has literally created its own cult following. A cult that will actually argue year after year with absolutely no scientific basis in the discussion. The extent of every BC follower's discussion is "I bought a box and killed them dead". You just have to love it!

Anyone shot the rio bluesteel? I shoot them and they are great. Cheap too never had any problems

dont like black cloud one bit i think they are a waste of money if you are willing to spend that much money on shells i recommend DRYLOK or REMINGTON NITRO STEEL

If not, they eventually will.

Are the square wad stopper studs on the inside of your Pattern Master getting beat up and knurled looking?

First off we have not established Black clouds are better. Just because they are 3 times the dollar amount does not make them better than any other shell. Every year we mull this over I know. If I owned a company that marketed to the public, the first thing I would do is recruit a market manager. Preferably the one who has marketed Black Cloud shells. Nice box and nice videos of spectacular kills and laying the money on an endorsement (we all know who). Fantastic, I can't hate them for making a nickel or two. I just aint about to fall for a market scheme that has literally created its own cult following. A cult that will actually argue year after year with absolutely no scientific basis in the discussion. The extent of every BC follower's discussion is "I bought a box and killed them dead". You just have to love it!

If you are going apples to apples and looking at 3" vs 3" or 3.5" vs 3.5" then you will only find a few shells that are even half the cost of BC. The only one I know of of the top of my head are Experts...and even those are not quite half the cost...close but not half. I saw BC at Dicks for 21.99 yesterday (they will often run coupons where you buy one box get the next half off). As for Experts I think Academy has them priced best in my area and they are around 13.99 I want to say...not quite sure...but they are not $11 which would be half of $22. If you can find me some 3" shells for $7.33 please buy me 5 flats and I'll pay you back when I see you next.

So as to your argument...why are BC better than Experts...it boils down to the components. BC uses much higher quality components vs Experts. Any fool can open one up and literally see the difference. The wads and pellets very easy to notice. When you get down to it the hulls for BC are better than Experts. Experts have cardboard as fillers....because its cheaper than using a better wad like BC. And Wads...regardless of what anyone says to the contrary do make a difference. You can manipulate a pattern with wad selection...making it a tighter or more open pattern. A quality wad will be more consistant to what it's suppose to do vs a cheap wad. See I can prove BC is better if we are talking components...just like I can prove an UnderArmor Jacket is better than a Game Winner one. But when it comes to subjective things like...keeping you warm enough...or killing ducks good enough then there is no way we can settle that on this forum and to try to do so would be ridiculous. The only way WE can really do objective comparisons regarding performance is to pattern the shells...but to do that we would both have to have the same gun and choke for it to mean anything.

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If you are going apples to apples and looking at 3" vs 3" or 3.5" vs 3.5" then you will only find a few shells that are even half the cost of BC. The only one I know of of the top of my head are Experts...and even those are not quite half the cost...close but not half. I saw BC at Dicks for 21.99 yesterday (they will often run coupons where you buy one box get the next half off). As for Experts I think Academy has them priced best in my area and they are around 13.99 I want to say...not quite sure...but they are not $11 which would be half of $22. If you can find me some 3" shells for $7.33 please buy me 5 flats and I'll pay you back when I see you next.

So as to your argument...why are BC better than Experts...it boils down to the components. BC uses much higher quality components vs Experts. Any fool can open one up and literally see the difference. The wads and pellets very easy to notice. When you get down to it the hulls for BC are better than Experts. Experts have cardboard as fillers....because its cheaper than using a better wad like BC. And Wads...regardless of what anyone says to the contrary do make a difference. You can manipulate a pattern with wad selection...making it a tighter or more open pattern. A quality wad will be more consistant to what it's suppose to do vs a cheap wad. See I can prove BC is better if we are talking components...just like I can prove an UnderArmor Jacket is better than a Game Winner one. But when it comes to subjective things like...keeping you warm enough...or killing ducks good enough then there is no way we can settle that on this forum and to try to do so would be ridiculous. The only way WE can really do objective comparisons regarding performance is to pattern the shells...but to do that we would both have to have the same gun and choke for it to mean anything.

Your opinion is worth a lot, don't get me wrong. I digress and will say BC is twice the price then.

We all know that an irregular ball flies less straight than a perfectly round ball. So why would we expect an irregular pellet to fly any differently?

I find consumer spending habits to be fascinating. And I don't know where you work but around here we take 2 hour lunches.

I find consumer spending habits to be fascinating. And I don't know where you work but around here we take 2 hour lunches.

on post?! jeez, i don't even get that long....

At ease....I was kidding.