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Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: Old_Town] #1738939 10/11/10 06:45 PM
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I would go for the AR-15 in 6.8 mm instead.


They 6.8 is a great round but at about $1 a shot, I can't afford to shioot them


100% agree. As I talked about in the other thread, there is not enough gain over 5.56 in the 6.8 to justify the price of ammo in my opinion. 6.8 ammo is higher than .308 ammo. You get 200 more pound of energy for a couple hundred yards then they even out, then 5.56 surpasses it at long range. At the same time 308 has 900 pounds of more energy than the 6.8 at nearly every distance, and you can get 308 hunting ammo for 13 bucks at Walmart. 6.8 hunting or any ammo for that matter is running near 20 bucks a box.

6.8 in my opinion (and this is what many hog guides I know do) is for SBRing for use with a suppressor. In SBR form its a huge improvement over a SBR 556, since powder burn is more efficient.


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Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: DallasShootingSupplies] #1739132 10/11/10 08:00 PM
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Actually its quite a bit more than 200 pounds of energy. You know this. And not to mention the larger grain bullet. Just curious anyone one here go hunting with a 5.56 or 6.8 knowing there going to be making a 500 yd shot. Not me. Both guns are made for up to 350 yd shots where the 6.8 excels.More of a little bullet vs bigger bullet thing. Check out 68forums. Theres a lot of good information on there.


Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: 100%TEXAN] #1739164 10/11/10 08:13 PM
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223 VS 6.8 comparision


Hornady 75 grain match BTHP 223
Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
2790/1296 2561/1092 2344/915 2137/760 1941/627 1757/514


6.8 Hornady match
Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
2550/1588 2313/1306 2088/1065 1877/860 1680/689 1500/550

At 300 yards 150 pounds difference. I actually use 77 grains so the difference is even less. Assuming both bullets frag as designed the greater velocity of the 5.56 should even them out even more. I won't be hunting at 500 yards but I do shoot at 500 yards quite a bit.


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Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: DallasShootingSupplies] #1739222 10/11/10 08:35 PM
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SSA loads are a little hotter than the Hornady. Like for example the 6.8 85 gr TSX Tac. 3000/1708 at the muzzle. Cant find any long range info. And also the the 95 gr TSX will be out shortly which will be somewhat comparable to the 85 gr TSX standard load from what I hear. And good hunting ammo for the 6.8 and the 308 are comparable in price. And by good I mean SSA.


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Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: 100%TEXAN] #1739240 10/11/10 08:40 PM
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Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: 100%TEXAN] #1739402 10/11/10 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: 100%TEXAN
SSA loads are a little hotter than the Hornady. Like for example the 6.8 85 gr TSX Tac. 3000/1708 at the muzzle. Cant find any long range info. And also the the 95 gr TSX will be out shortly which will be somewhat comparable to the 85 gr TSX standard load from what I hear. And good hunting ammo for the 6.8 and the 308 are comparable in price. And by good I mean SSA.



Yeah hunting ammo is comparable for sure. And I agree that in those ranges its better. My problem with 6.8 is a total lack of plinking ammo. I am a high volume shooter, I shoot 1k rounds a month at least through my AR's. I can do this for around 200 bucks a month, the same in 6.8 would be $750-1000 a month. Thats my real problem with 6.8, is that I can shoot my AR10 for cheaper as well. Its a good round though.



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Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: DallasShootingSupplies] #1739528 10/11/10 10:36 PM
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I will agree with ya that a 6.8 is not a gun for a high round shooter due to not having a plinking round. And SSA is supposed to be comig out with a plinking round. And the 95 gr TSX. We have been waiting a while for both , but SSA says its coming. I like the 6.8 because of the ar platform and larger gr bullets plus I can still get a 30 rd clip. 556 is a good round but I like having more knock down at short ranges.


Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: 100%TEXAN] #1753827 10/17/10 07:51 PM
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hell no not 7.62x39 thats an arab round 223 sucks also 6.8 or 308 my ar is in a 308 and i LOVE it you cant beat that gunbut stay away from that arab round that round is junk!!!


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hell no not 7.62x39 thats an arab round 223 sucks also 6.8 or 308 my ar is in a 308 and i LOVE it you cant beat that gunbut stay away from that arab round that round is junk!!!


Wow your on a roll. What was your screen name before hunter50 ? rolleyes




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hell no not 7.62x39 thats an arab round 223 sucks also 6.8 or 308 my ar is in a 308 and i LOVE it you cant beat that gunbut stay away from that arab round that round is junk!!!



Sound advice from a true ballistician... Everyone knows the Russians are Arabic!


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hell no not 7.62x39 thats an arab round 223 sucks also 6.8 or 308 my ar is in a 308 and i LOVE it you cant beat that gunbut stay away from that arab round that round is junk!!!



Sound advice from a true ballistician... Everyone knows the Russians are Arabic!


Oh KC I totally missed that !! You make a funny !! clap




Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: hunter50] #1754351 10/17/10 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: hunter50
hell no not 7.62x39 thats an arab round 223 sucks also 6.8 or 308 my ar is in a 308 and i LOVE it you cant beat that gunbut stay away from that arab round that round is junk!!!



rofl .223 sucks!!! Tell the 43 hogs I have killed this year with and the 78 the year before that!! LULZ

And most are boars over 250 pounds. Check out the pics section, just added a new one from last night. M855 does suck, but Sierra 77 OTM match (mk 262ish) is devastating. I will put my 77's against any 6.8 any day of the week.


This has to be a troll account.



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Re: ar 15 in .223 or 7.62x39 need advice [Re: DallasShootingSupplies] #1754473 10/18/10 12:13 AM
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I'll take that dang Arab round for hogs any day of the week. All jokes aside, with soft point bullets, I believe it is the ultimate close range (200 yds or less) round for anything walking in Texas. I'm not bashing .223 by any means, but the "Arab" round is a perfect compromise as far as I am concerned...


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Originally Posted By: hunter50
hell no not 7.62x39 thats an arab round 223 sucks also 6.8 or 308 my ar is in a 308 and i LOVE it you cant beat that gunbut stay away from that arab round that round is junk!!!


What .308 AR do you own?


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I'll take that dang Arab round for hogs any day of the week. All jokes aside, with soft point bullets, I believe it is the ultimate close range (200 yds or less) round for anything walking in Texas. I'm not bashing .223 by any means, but the "Arab" round is a perfect compromise as far as I am concerned...


7.62x39 has an advantage over 5.56 at close range for penetration, but any range after close 5.56 dominates. The 39 is ballistically similar to 30-30. The 5.56 dominates it after 200 yards. Personally have not had a problem with penetration with my .223, my 77 grain OTM Sierras have all had three exit wounds each when hitting a heavy hog. I have an AK and like it though.



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hell no not 7.62x39 thats an arab round 223 sucks also 6.8 or 308 my ar is in a 308 and i LOVE it you cant beat that gunbut stay away from that arab round that round is junk!!!


What .308 AR do you own?




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Originally Posted By: DallasShootingSupplies
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I'll take that dang Arab round for hogs any day of the week. All jokes aside, with soft point bullets, I believe it is the ultimate close range (200 yds or less) round for anything walking in Texas. I'm not bashing .223 by any means, but the "Arab" round is a perfect compromise as far as I am concerned...


7.62x39 has an advantage over 5.56 at close range for penetration, but any range after close 5.56 dominates. The 39 is ballistically similar to 30-30. The 5.56 dominates it after 200 yards. Personally have not had a problem with penetration with my .223, my 77 grain OTM Sierras have all had three exit wounds each when hitting a heavy hog. I have an AK and like it though.


Yup, I agree with you totally. All of my pig hunting happens at 100 yards or less, up close in the brush, multiple shots. I like the .223 and have used it extensively, but I like the extra bit of THWACK that the 7.62 provides. That's how I always introduce my AK to people who don't know about it- it's a .30-30 that will fire 30 rounds as fast as I can pull the trigger...


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