No I do not breed dog's, but if I did I would get all health clearances done....

I do know people and trainers who breed and do it responsibly.....

If I had to bet I would say she gives you sire/damn health clearances therefore clearing all offspring below those 2. In the case of EIC, testing parentage clears the offspring correct? So every dog does not need to be tested, it just seems like a waste of time and money to test every dog for EIC if parents were tested.

The reality of it is neither Sire nor Dam of the current litter on her website HAVE ANY RECORDS ON OFA (Hips, Elbows, EIC, CNM). Therefore, there are two conclusions:

1) the test results were not favorable, hence they were not submitted

or

2) they were not tested.

My whole point is for $800, there are plenty of reputable breeders who do provide ALL of this information. And on top of that, the litters come out of titled parents.

Look, this lady has both parents. There is no stud fee to pay, and she's getting $800 per pup. Say there are 8 dogs in the litter, that's $6,400. And they are repeat breedings so she could get that much 2,3,4 times. $20,000? I don't think it's too much to ask that she spends a few hundred bucks to get the hips/elbows shot, and the CNM/EIC tests done.

Oh, I think we are getting our wires crossed. I do not mean test every puppy....

You would test parents and get results....if both parents are "clear" then the puppies are "clear"

My problem with her is she has stated she doesn't test all of the parents but are calling them "clear"

I do not breed labs, nor do I have ANY connections to any breeder.

o ok. well I would hope she has tested every parent, if thats the case.

Hmm... I find it amazing that you can say that having never met her and never seen her paperwork (or lack thereof).

IMHO the eyes and the CNM are money making schemes..... Are they real? Yes but what is the point of testing the eyes when they expire after a year and are no good any longer? Seems pointless TO ME and therefore I don't care if a dog has those clearances or not... that's just me. I have a right to NOT CARE and so do others (just as you have a right to get on here and bash someone you know virtually nothing about and make assumptions because you favor another trainer/breeder elsewhere). Which is amazing to me because other people favor other breeders and trainers and yet you almost never say anything negative about them, only ever about Iron Spike... hmmm... interesting.

oh FYI she does test - I HAVE SEEN THE PAPERWORK with *gasp* my own two very eyes! It is HER business as to who she releases that information to and as she herself stated the papers are there for folks who are generally interested in buying a pup and not out to attack her.

Yes to whoever said it takes two carriers to get an EIC affected dog, it indeed does.

Back to what someone else posted earlier about owning all her dogs... she doesn't own Rocky's Chocolate Sergeant. He is owned by another lady and then later signed over co-ownership to her.
Kopper's Red Bluff and Iron Spike Command Sergeant Major are also not hers, although I do believe Commander is jointly owned as previously done with his sire. And though she isn't the owner she does however have a right to use them, train them and promote them. If you had ever seen the papers (which obviously you haven't) you would know that.

oh FYI she does test - I HAVE SEEN THE PAPERWORK with *gasp* my own two very eyes! It is HER business as to who she releases that information to and as she herself stated the papers are there for folks who are generally interested in buying a pup and not out to attack her.

He's gonna call you a liar....

and after looking on her website, under each puppies page it says puppies come with parent health clearances!!!!

The real question is why are all these Iron Spike cheeleaders up here defending her when she clearly deviates from what is considered industry best practices?

You guys want to spend top dollar for dogs that don't have clearances go right ahead.

Don't say you weren't warned.

I love this place, you can just slam someones business and nothing comes of it. If you had a dog from her and the dog had EIC, then post all you want about it. But you have nothing.

Ehh whatever floats his boat... but I am confident in the paperwork I have seen. And I am happy with all my Iron Spike dogs...and all my experiences with Iron Spike.

if the dogs parents were cleared/tested what more could you want??

Hey genious. They DO have clearances.

Genius: Go under the "Hyper Dog" thread.....

She herself states she DOES NOT test her "hunting dog" lines......

Once again very misleading to state the puppies are "clear"

Told ya he call you a liar.

Then please provide link to their Elbow/Hip clearances on PennHip or OFA website. I have never seen a dog with favorable hips/elbows that didn't have them submitted to OFA for the world to see. Same goes for CNM/EIC.

Why are they not posted on the official site? Very simple question.

http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1242356/3

Coming from her, not me.....

Why would she say that if all dog's were tested?

Like she herself stated - it is HER business as to who she lets see the papers.
Maybe they aren't posted because you two goons are always jumping down her throat.
I like the way she does business, I am very happy with my 3 Iron Spike dogs AND THE CLEARANCES they/their parents have. So are you saying I lied about MY dog's paperwork?

Why would you test the pups when the parents are clear?

Thats the point...she doesn't test the parents....

She does not test her hunting dog lines!! That starts with the parents being tested!! Not puppies..

it makes no sense to test pups when parents are clear but looking at it from the other side why would she not submit the clearances to OFA/Penn. Just curious

go look on her website, the parents are tested!!!!!!! it says that plain and clear. PARENTS HEALTH CLEARANCES!!!!!

He just said that he SAW the papers.....your a hard headed son of a gun.

Oh, now we see who has some skin in this game. It's you.

The fact is that if the dogs were tested, and the results were favorable and were posted on the industry standard registry, then nobody would have room to question and this thread wouldn't exist.

With all due respect. If you have a piece of paper with clearances on it, and those clearances have not been submitted to the official registry, then I would be very concerened that all I have is a piece of paper.