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 Re: hyper dog
[Re: Angie B]
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02/18/10 09:07 PM
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nogeese
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What I mean by adding another dog is by pencil whiping the documents to make more money.... This is WHAT I HAVE LEARNED about the breed... Otherwise how did EIC become an issue? Well you haven't learned squat...And you're using "pencil whipping" out of context. You haven't learned a thing about the breed and you did no research... Obviously... Go to the, "Question about breed standards" thread and learn something so you can make a more educated puppy purchase when you look for another puppy. EIC did not come about because people were looking to make more money.... If they just wanted to make money,,, They would be hustling their litters in the Walmart parking lot.... Seriously.... Angie well I love my dog she is all I ever wanted an then 10x more as far as my next pup, that will most likely be one of her pups in a few years when she has proven to be a great hunter and I decide to breed her. And guess what if 50 bucks is what it will cost to cover the expences then that is what I will sell them for OR GIVE THEM AWAY to good homes and people who may have more time than money. Thats provided I can find a male, a garage, and a portch to complete the perfect breeding scenerio  I will throw in a free squeeky toy with every pup I sell in the wal mart parking lot to sweeten the deal... or better yet if I time it right, I can make sure the pups are ready around the same time my girls are selling girlscout cookies and I could throw in a box of thin mints with the purchase of every puppy! Because as you say... I got to make the rent.  I must disagree with you about not learning squat... I have learned that breeders are either in it for the love of the dogs, and the dogs ability to allow people to come together and share a common passion in life... or they are arrogant know it all's that I have yet to come to understand what they are in it for.... YES Seriously.... You got a full registration on your puppy??? Not a limited??? OMG!!! Just what AKC is bending over backwards to keep from happening... Pet quality should never be bred... Especially pet quality with no health clearances.... Angie Angie let me spell it out for you.... People like you, with similar attitudes are EXACTLY what is wrong with the AKC. and with that, I can no longer respond to any of your comments as it has become redundant.
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Re: hyper dog
[Re: jbois]
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02/18/10 09:27 PM
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Gengo
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jbois - I was looking at her breeding dogs and the main stock shows them as being EIC clear bloodline. My understanding is that EIC is a genetic disorder so all puppies from a clear bloodline (clear on moms and pops side) will continue the clean bloodline. I could be misunderstanding the condition though. Gengo - I have read her web-site and I know the statement by each one of her dog's states that the "bloodline is clear" of EIC. I wanted her to clarify, as my original question to her was - does that mean each of her dog's have been tested and is EIC clear, or are they clear by parentage (meaning she can provide proof of that)? She has yet to answer me and I asked several times. Which makes me believe that neither are probably true. Is she saying that the bloodlines are clear because she has never had a problem? I want to say that she stated previously that she doesn't test her hunting dog lines, because she has never had a problem......that hardly makes them "clear". She has had great pride in saying she is one of the "ethical" breeders.....at the price she is selling those puppies as gundog's or the "jump start" puppies, the least she can do is test her breeding stock.... See you are assuming that she does no testing on her puppies and in all honesty she doesn't have to answer to you or me, she has to answer to her customers. After all this is just an internet forum! I definitely understand your questioning. Maybe try to shoot her a PM for a more accurate response? 
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Re: hyper dog
[Re: Gengo]
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02/18/10 09:38 PM
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jbois
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jbois - I was looking at her breeding dogs and the main stock shows them as being EIC clear bloodline. My understanding is that EIC is a genetic disorder so all puppies from a clear bloodline (clear on moms and pops side) will continue the clean bloodline. I could be misunderstanding the condition though. Gengo - I have read her web-site and I know the statement by each one of her dog's states that the "bloodline is clear" of EIC. I wanted her to clarify, as my original question to her was - does that mean each of her dog's have been tested and is EIC clear, or are they clear by parentage (meaning she can provide proof of that)? She has yet to answer me and I asked several times. Which makes me believe that neither are probably true. Is she saying that the bloodlines are clear because she has never had a problem? I want to say that she stated previously that she doesn't test her hunting dog lines, because she has never had a problem......that hardly makes them "clear". She has had great pride in saying she is one of the "ethical" breeders.....at the price she is selling those puppies as gundog's or the "jump start" puppies, the least she can do is test her breeding stock.... See you are assuming that she does no testing on her puppies and in all honesty she doesn't have to answer to you or me, she has to answer to her customers. After all this is just an internet forum! I definitely understand your questioning. Maybe try to shoot her a PM for a more accurate response? She doesn't have to answer to me or you but I think it says A LOT that she hasn't answered my question!! Or I'm sorry Questions!! If her breeding stock is tested or are clear by parentage then that is a simple question to answer!! Don't you think?? Like I said I think I know the answer....I believe she said she doesn't test her hunting dog lines because she has never had a problem.....that doesn't make them clear....All I am looking for is a little honesty....
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Re: hyper dog
[Re: Angie B]
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02/20/10 09:12 PM
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EricW
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It's having so many problems because the breed is sooooo popular. And people don't always breed ethically.
Angie Isn't that the truth. Breed clubs talk about it all the time about popularity is the key to death for their breed. Many Golden people are happy Golden's are slipping down the rankings so that they can improve on the line. Golden's didn't have all the genetic issues they have now till they got popular. We see this happening with all sorts of breeds. Many of the "minority" breeds do not want people to know about them, are super protective, and rather no publicity what so ever. But once they make the movies, a commericial, etc. They are done for. Once Obama got the Portugese Waterdog, I gaurantee the demand for that breed went up over 1,000%. Hell, I bet 98% of the US population never heard of that breed. Now people want it and there are enough people out there looking to make money off of it. Got to start breeding them like rabbits to meet the demand and you can't control that. A breeders best chance at protecting their line is with Limited Registration and screening their buyers. I had to do that with my first competition/gun dog. Eric W.
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Re: hyper dog
[Re: kbobbjr]
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02/20/10 09:17 PM
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EricW
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[quote=Gengo]
I'm not Angie but I can answer your question from a buyers perspective. When I purchased my pup I wanted a breeding that would produce a pup that was calm, tractable, trainable and the pedigree had to be "stacked" with titled dogs. I got both.
I am with you on this one. Just like all the other breeders out there, you do have those with wrong intentions. But for the most part,breeders breed for temperment also. We have put down dogs that were biters before, no matter how good they were in the field. We could have easily bred them, but that wouldn't be right. Eric W.
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Re: hyper dog
[Re: kbobbjr]
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02/20/10 09:18 PM
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EricW
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I think this string bears out what I was saying. There are two types of Lab lovers... the ones that want the 'quivering' dog and the ones that want the 'quiet' one. Fortunately, there are still folks breeding each kind. I think that that the 'quivering' dog and the 'quiet' dog can be one in the same..... If you do your homework as a puppy buyer, I believe you can have it both ways.... I think that is the point many are trying to make.... X 2  BTW - IronSpike, no where in the definition of "quivering" will you find anything that states it is synonymous with "noisy" or "loud". Or hyperactivity.
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