I agree. What I dont get is why people DO knock em. there isnt anything wrong with them, especially with our small TX deer. Now, hunting up north may be different, but i wouldnt know cuz i have only hunted in TX. Ive been using a 223 since i was 9 and have had very good luck and very fun hunting experiences. I have never wounded a deer with one. But then again im a small woman who cant handle a bigger gun, and like someone said earlier " the best gun for a person is what suits them...." or something like that...

I have both and have never wounded a animal with them.I have killed a 250 pound with the .223 and knocked it down in its tracks.The secret is ammo.The Hornady TAP is the hardest hitting bullet I have seen.

I LIKE TUFF GUYS!!! WHO GET ON THE INTERNET,HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN LOOK FOR A WAY TO START A FIGHT...1ST I can tell you know nothing about bullets..2nd why am I wasteing my energy talking to an idiot like yourself..hmmmm oh yea, I forgot I like ''TUFF-GUYS''...3RD I have never nor do I own a .300 alphabetsoupmagnum for Texas Whitetails..4th Your like I guy I know at work..I bet you believe, If you paint a Trash-Can GOLD..It will be worth more...Its still just a Trash-Can...Your a Idiot BluedreauxRatard...

What a well thought out post.

I pointed out that you 1) Didn't understand our previous converstation about bullet construction and 2) Were likely to wound a deer if you used a .204 with just any 32 grain bullet.

You said that I "know nothing about bullets" then continued on with your personal attack and talk of gold trashcans. If I have posted anything in error, you'd be my friend to point that out. But your post offered nothing of substance to the discussion.

The moderators have made it clear that differences of opinion will be tolerated, but personal attacks won't. LINK See #6 and #7. Also see #9 and #10. Although the rules don't specifically address mocking those with mental handicaps, I believe the spirit of that rule (no racial or sexual jokes, for example) is plainly seen.

If you'd like to discuss bullet construction or selection I'd be happy to explain what I know. But name calling does neither of us any good.

I also believe that it's entirely possible we'll never see eye to eye on this issue. However, when dealing ethical issues such as this, I think it would be wise to base our opinions on fact and substance. Hence the "discussion" nature of these forums. If no one ever challenges our long standing personal thoughts and opinions, how will we ever think critically about our choices and grow as outdoorsmen?

You guys (agattusojr & bluedreaux) might want to keep in mind that calling someone an idiot or saying that reading comprehension isn't someone's strong suit both constitute personal attacks. I've got the feeling that if you hope to stick around here, you'll either up the age level of your dialog or just take it out on the playground, where the rest of us don't have to sift through it to get to the grown-up parts of the discussion.

The only real "secret" to choosing an appropriate caliber is to inform yourself and use common sense. Stupid, no matter how loudly it is shouted, is still stupid.

Chill a little bit.

I was called a retard.

And you'll call me out for it? Don't think so.

All better chill, last warning.

i'd have to agree there. when you're aimed in and fixing to pull the trigger, recoil is the last thing on your mind. if it is, i think maybe you shouldn't be hunting. obviously there are things to be taken into consideration with this, but i think y'all get my point.

My warning has been duly noted. I'll try my best to not get called a retard again...

Most folks gave up on the "Daddy, he hit me first" defense about the time we were in the 2nd or 3rd grade. Just a thought...