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 Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 04:30 AM
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isnt gonna be cheap to high fence 2500 acres. He only has to do 40 acres  It appears we are both wrong, hornslayer the op never mentioned how much land there was.
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 04:34 AM
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I think he trying a good program. Agree to his terms, he has the water, he is feeding the protein, wich makes your bucks bigger. I would talk to him about the age. He is spending the money, and you are getting the benefits.
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 04:37 AM
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I think he trying a good program. Agree to his terms, he has the water, he is feeding the protein, wich makes your bucks bigger. I would talk to him about the age. He is spending the money, and you are getting the benefits. x2 most the places I hunt its 5.5-6.5 on any thing but does...
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Re: High Fence Question
[Re: TreeBass]
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12/02/09 04:42 AM
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I can see the other side of this thread. I think this stuff is gonna happen more and more. Land is getting broken up into smaller tracts, which are barely huntable without pulling game from neighbors (and the guy with 20 acres still thinks he can kill 10 deer every year). Owners who do manage to keep larger chunks of adjacent ranchland are putting management programs together and paying big bucks in equipment, food plots, and year round feed / H2O programs. You really think they won't act to protect their investment? If I saw my expensive management program getting undermined by neighboring hunters taking advantage of my efforts without bringing anything to the table you better believe I'd hang some fence.
Put yourself in their shoes. Posts on here even said, let them feed the deer and you shoot them. Just don't tell them, leave gates open... Bad idea. You might as well just go over and offer to help them put up that high fence. If he is providing the bulk of the cover, feed, and water, he pretty much holds the good cards. If all you have is a small tract of land with feeders throwing corn near his property line during the season, and lots of bullets flying, larger owners are not so dumb that they cannot see this as a detriment to their efforts.
On the other hand, if you actually put up a protein feeder or two, keep em running year round, put in food plots, get some game water of your own, and work with the guy on blind placement and harvest restrictions, (even if you don't totally agree with his program), you may be able to keep a nice small operation going, and coat-tail off his operation with his approval. Give the guy a lot of credit for coming over and trying to work with you. A lot of owners would have just sent in the fence crew. Being deceitful and saying you'll adhere to his requests, then shooting whatever you want is crap in my book. If you give your word, keep it. In any event, you are just putting it off if you lie, cuz they will know, and then you'll have a fence and neighbors who know you cannot be trusted.
Please don't flame me for calling it like I see it. Just had a hard time reading some of the posted recommendations without shaking my head. If the neighboring land owner is willing to work with you, you are foolish not to work with him.
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 04:48 AM
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isnt gonna be cheap to high fence 2500 acres. He only has to do 40 acres It appears we are both wrong, hornslayer the op never mentioned how much land there was. True, this scenario started with a 100+ section ranch fencing out a 20+ section ranch. The 20 section ranch agreed to the terms and now is fencing out a 5.5 section (3500 acre) ranch. Money is no object to any of the parties, but water is.
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 04:53 AM
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isnt gonna be cheap to high fence 2500 acres. He only has to do 40 acres It appears we are both wrong, hornslayer the op never mentioned how much land there was. my bad, that was Cameron 
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 04:53 AM
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Definitely not "small" tracts
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 05:16 AM
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Definitely not "small" tracts When he said 'smaller' I thought he really meant 'smaller'. Heck with that size property I'd let them fence it, and just invest in some wells. Plus, the distance from a fence line issue takes on a whole new perspective. With that much land whats a quarter mile give or take...
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Re: High Fence Question / Problem
[Re: HornSlayer]
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12/02/09 05:25 AM
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Tell him thank you for showing you the errors of your way of hunting. Go along with every suggestion he makes, ask and take his advice frequently. Try to become his new best friend.
Then one night slip something into his drink, arrange for the nastiest hooker you can find to meet at a local motel (better yet a transvestite hooker). Have the hooker undress and then strip mister high fence. Then take pictures with a time date stamp, lots of them, be sure to capture the moment thoroughly. Take pictures of his vehicle in the parking lot with the name of the motel and room number visible.
A couple days later show him the pictures and have a talk. Tell him how sad you'd be if a copy happened to show up on every windshield in town on Sunday morning. Mention how upset you would be if someone sent copies to his wife and the local paper. Then ask him if his views on high fencing and what you do on your side of the now permanent low fence have changed.
Realistically, if he has the means to high fence the property he probably will if you don't comply with his program. With no water and fenced in, sooner or later you'll have nothing to shoot.
Sounds like its time to find a new lease and move on.
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Re: High Fence Question / Problem
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12/02/09 05:40 AM
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I hope that wild, snot-blowing bull ( you are about to buy at the sale barn) doesn't run ( or get chased) through his fence. 
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Re: High Fence Question / Problem
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12/02/09 01:28 PM
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I've seen this happen to two properties. When I was looking for land, I wanted a place with a home. A realtor had a place listed that was approximately 350 acres with a home and located 6 miles into a large ranch (100K+) with deeded access. The realtor said not to get excited as he had just been high fenced in. The big place felt the smaller place was bring too many deer out and asked them to slow down. The landowner flipped them the bird so they built the fence and cleared the brush back from the fence 1000 yards! It looked like a prison compound. I was on a lease in LaSalle County, 5K, just offer FM624 East of Cotulla. You had to pass through another larger ranch to get to our place. Both large landowners extremely friendly. My lease had a little square shaped pasture of exactly 350 acres that extended into the neighbors place. My landowner was getting old and had taken a shine to me and offered to sell me the square with deeded access. Despite the great price, I couldn't afford it at that point in my life. He eventually ended up selling it. Right before hunting season, I was driving around it and I could see at least 8 tower blinds on the property with half of those on the fence lines. I'm thinking "  " Sure enough, at the end of the first hunting season the large neighbor calls a meet between the three. The small guys tells them to FO. They fence him on all four sides. The landowner has long passed but I keep in touch with his son and we talk about that 350 acres often. No one has even bothered to enter the place in at least a decade. The road through the high gate and beyond is completely grown over. The small guys had the right to blow them off but the surrounding landowners have the right to fence them.
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Re: High Fence Question
[Re: HornSlayer]
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12/02/09 01:36 PM
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isnt gonna be cheap to high fence 2500 acres. He only has to do 40 acres It appears we are both wrong, hornslayer the op never mentioned how much land there was. True, this scenario started with a 100+ section ranch fencing out a 20+ section ranch. The 20 section ranch agreed to the terms and now is fencing out a 5.5 section (3500 acre) ranch. Money is no object to any of the parties, but water is. Twenty sections without water isn't going to work anyway. You need water every section, every two at most. Where in the Texas is there a 20 section place with no mills on it?
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 01:38 PM
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Definitely not "small" tracts When he said 'smaller' I thought he really meant 'smaller'. Heck with that size property I'd let them fence it, and just invest in some wells. Plus, the distance from a fence line issue takes on a whole new perspective. With that much land whats a quarter mile give or take... No kidding, if they have nearly 13,000 acres, why would they need to be any closer than 350 yards from a fence...that's just silly.
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Re: High Fence Question
[Re: RockinU]
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12/02/09 03:38 PM
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 04:27 PM
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To me its simple, work with the guy. As far as the stands, I bet you guys can work something out.
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Re: High Fence Question
[Re: Scoop]
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12/02/09 04:34 PM
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I can see the other side of this thread. I think this stuff is gonna happen more and more. Land is getting broken up into smaller tracts, which are barely huntable without pulling game from neighbors (and the guy with 20 acres still thinks he can kill 10 deer every year). Owners who do manage to keep larger chunks of adjacent ranchland are putting management programs together and paying big bucks in equipment, food plots, and year round feed / H2O programs. You really think they won't act to protect their investment? If I saw my expensive management program getting undermined by neighboring hunters taking advantage of my efforts without bringing anything to the table you better believe I'd hang some fence.
Put yourself in their shoes. Posts on here even said, let them feed the deer and you shoot them. Just don't tell them, leave gates open... Bad idea. You might as well just go over and offer to help them put up that high fence. If he is providing the bulk of the cover, feed, and water, he pretty much holds the good cards. If all you have is a small tract of land with feeders throwing corn near his property line during the season, and lots of bullets flying, larger owners are not so dumb that they cannot see this as a detriment to their efforts.
On the other hand, if you actually put up a protein feeder or two, keep em running year round, put in food plots, get some game water of your own, and work with the guy on blind placement and harvest restrictions, (even if you don't totally agree with his program), you may be able to keep a nice small operation going, and coat-tail off his operation with his approval. Give the guy a lot of credit for coming over and trying to work with you. A lot of owners would have just sent in the fence crew. Being deceitful and saying you'll adhere to his requests, then shooting whatever you want is crap in my book. If you give your word, keep it. In any event, you are just putting it off if you lie, cuz they will know, and then you'll have a fence and neighbors who know you cannot be trusted.
Please don't flame me for calling it like I see it. Just had a hard time reading some of the posted recommendations without shaking my head. If the neighboring land owner is willing to work with you, you are foolish not to work with him. Scoop: well said. I, too, was amazed at the suggestions to be dishonest. Those kind of actions are the reasons high fences are built.
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Re: High Fence Question
[Re: HornSlayer]
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12/02/09 04:34 PM
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isnt gonna be cheap to high fence 2500 acres. He only has to do 40 acres It appears we are both wrong, hornslayer the op never mentioned how much land there was. True, this scenario started with a 100+ section ranch fencing out a 20+ section ranch. The 20 section ranch agreed to the terms and now is fencing out a 5.5 section (3500 acre) ranch. Money is no object to any of the parties, but water is. seems like a win for everyone no matter what happens
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Re: High Fence Question
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Leave the gate open? ,nothing wrong with that comment..lot of places dont have accessable water,,typical YO , dry creek beds nothing but wind mills and troughs,ground water in some is not useable, to deep,lack of wind, mineral content, most deer can get by on moisture from plants,, Stock tanks? unlikley,, typical YO one rubber lined stock tank,You get on his program, or get fenced, depends on how large place,and arid, semi arid, guzzler hauled water is cheaper than protein,,where does the game water now?, And saying being dishonest is reason for hi fence? No/ controll of game ever hear of mass kills of does,getting herd reduction to 1-1 or higher ,leaving feed for bucks trying to grow whoppers. or imports vacating places,day leasers banging anything that walks,on adjacent places.. some times their needed,better off with out them,
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Re: High Fence Question
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Please don't flame me for calling it like I see it. Just had a hard time reading some of the posted recommendations without shaking my head. If the neighboring land owner is willing to work with you, you are foolish not to work with him.
Scoop: well said. I, too, was amazed at the suggestions to be dishonest. Those kind of actions are the reasons high fences are built. Work it out man to man. You don't have to like it but you have to respect his position and willingnes to come to you with his requests.
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 06:55 PM
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our place was almost in same situation, we have many more acres than that but the folks that had it leased before we got it back(long story , part of family ran ranch and leased it out till the other part bought the other half of family out) well back to story, when we took it over the ranch owners on 2 sides,(one side already high fence cause of a bombing range) ask us if we are gonna kill everything in sight or manage the place like they are doing to theres.... if not they are gonna high fence us off cause they needed new fences anyways, we told them we are going to manage (and we are) so they just built new 5 strand barb fences.... needless to say there are plenty of deer... not shootin only 5.5 is probly bull, but what the nieboher dont know wont hurt.. also stands away from fences is good.. just put a 30ft tower in middle of your place.. that way you can see all of it.....
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Re: High Fence Question
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12/02/09 06:56 PM
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I'm in the middle seeing both sides. My acreage is 1/60th the size of my neighbor to the south. But I have good cover and lots of deer venture over from his land for my corn. 3 guys hunt the 600 acres closest to me on that side- I met one of them before season and we talked about management, etc. I think we both came away relieved. Now to the north of me is a plot with 1/3 of my acreage and a pop-up blind 30 yards from my fence. I've seen the guys there and they won't even wave. I don't want to be fenced out so I wouldn't want to do it to someone else. If people just acted nice and worked it out it would be easier- we are all participating in the same pasttime.........
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Re: High Fence Question
[Re: hornet527]
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Some pretty good ideas and a lot of juvenile BS. I own 205 acres and that's larger than most of my neighbors. Nobody is going to tell me what to do and I have zero expectations of telling anybody else what they should do on their place. Yeah, it chaps me when one of them starts target practicing during deer season. Heck, it's their place and their business.
Bottom line is that I would either work with the guy or ask him if he wanted to buy my land. I would have a real problem in passing up a real trophy to meet his expectations. However, if he has started dictating terms to you, I doubt that you are going to get along very well anyway.
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