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 Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: kyotee1]
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12/01/09 09:06 PM
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I'd say let nature take its course, if he lives he has the goods, if he dies than "natural" selection is working just fine.
I would be ecstatic about seeing a 5 pt 1.5 year old buck in any county. Legal or not let nature cull or preserve the animal, I'm sure there are other cull's ripe for the take'n
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: kyotee1]
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12/01/09 09:14 PM
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Wow.... that is good to know because I have been "told by others" that a one horned deer is legal. Never would have thought it wasn't.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: booger]
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12/01/09 09:23 PM
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Wow.... that is good to know because I have been "told by others" that a one horned deer is legal. Never would have thought it wasn't. That doesn't sound right to me....he still has at least one unbranched antler which is what the rules state. What is it that makes it illegal? Honest.....
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Curly]
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12/01/09 09:54 PM
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: kyotee1]
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12/01/09 10:00 PM
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Is that in the book? I've never seen it and if not, it should be.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Curly]
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12/01/09 10:02 PM
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: kyotee1]
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12/01/09 10:03 PM
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Guess I have none then.......cause it still has at least one unbranched antler.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Curly]
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12/01/09 10:34 PM
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Skinner0_2]
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12/01/09 11:36 PM
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I have recently seen a buck that needed to be shot but im afraid to killit because of the ARs. I live in Wise by the way. Anyway before the season started i had pics of this little 1.5 YO with a fork on the right and three points on the left.He looked as if he had been hit by a car in the picture, or maybe gotten hung up in a fence, he was cut up on his left tarsal gland and had scraped and cuts here and there. Well Thanksgiving morning im in the stand watching this little crap head chaseing all my does around wishing he would leave and not run em off, when i noticed it was the same buck, however he was missing the left side. The sun came up high enough that i could see in my binos that he had not only broken it off, but it broke below the skin and ripped a long strip of the forehead flesh down past the eye right off exposing the skull. He seems fine, but it itches like crazy as he is constantly scratching at it with his back feet. The antler that is left is a fork. Is he a legal buck? I know the ARs say at least one unbranched spike, but what about a one horned critter? Im fairly certain he has lost his entire pedicle on that side. Skinner Here's the original scenario. The deer in question has a single antler, the right, that is a fork. Here are the antler regulations: "Special Antler Restrictions do not apply to properties for which Level 2 or Level 3 MLDPs have been issued. For counties with Special Antler Restrictions, a legal buck deer has: at least one unbranched antler, or an inside spread of 13 inches or greater. The inside spread requirement does not apply to any buck that has an unbranched antler." How is any deer with a single branched antler a legal deer? They don't have the required "at least one un-branched" antler. According to the book, the only deer exempt from the inside spread requirements are those with an un-branched antler. This deer has no un-branched antler, so is not exempt from the 13" requirement. He has a fork and does not have at least one unbranched antler. He cannot be legal.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Slow Drifter]
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12/02/09 12:44 AM
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Well I guess I'll have to stay away from unicorns.......
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Curly]
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12/02/09 12:52 AM
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I just sent the TP&W an e-mail on it. Probably won't get an answer till tomorrow. Y'all are probably right about it being an illegal buck and that's fine. I just want to read it from the man himself. No offense but who knows, I might come across that very same hunting scenario myself someday and if I have no venison and it's late in the season, I wanna know for sure if it's legal to pull the trigger.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: kyotee1]
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12/02/09 01:07 AM
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If the only one antler (since the other was broke off below the skin and not an inch protruding) is unbranched, then it would be legal.
If the only one antler is branched (since the other one is broke off below the skin and not an inch protruding, then it would be illegal.
Since the remaining antler is forked, it is an illegal buck. Does not have to be one inch thru the skin to be considered an antler just "protruding thru the skin" is what the regulation states.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: kyotee1]
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12/02/09 01:13 AM
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I would say let him go unless you are in need to use the tag If the one side has potential let him breed he will not pass on the injury and he might also grow out of it
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: j3x]
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12/02/09 05:35 AM
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If the only one antler (since the other was broke off below the skin and not an inch protruding) is unbranched, then it would be legal.
If the only one antler is branched (since the other one is broke off below the skin and not an inch protruding, then it would be illegal.
Since the remaining antler is forked, it is an illegal buck. EXACTLY !! The definition of an antler DOES NOT have to be 1" through the skin. JUST "PROTRUDING THROUGH THE SKIN." IF the "protruding" antler is not branched.....WAALA "Unbranched" antler. The 1" is coming off a beam or another point and is the definition of a POINT. (They have pics of this on the Outdoor Annual.) Unless TPWD chooses to use made up definitions of "antlers" as they do "contiguous", "age structure", and "the age or potential of a spike" etc.
You never know about these folks.
"If age structure is deemed to be valuable to management,...What percentage change in age structure or condition does TPWD recognize that it needs to detect in order to trigger a regulatory change?  TPWD
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: PHishTX]
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12/02/09 05:46 AM
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Unless TPWD chooses to use made up definitions of "antlers" as they do "contiguous", "age structure", and "the age or potential of a spike" etc.
You never know about these folks. PHishTX  
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Skinner0_2]
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12/02/09 02:05 PM
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I have recently seen a buck that needed to be shot but im afraid to killit because of the ARs. I live in Wise by the way. Anyway before the season started i had pics of this little 1.5 YO with a fork on the right and three points on the left.He looked as if he had been hit by a car in the picture, or maybe gotten hung up in a fence, he was cut up on his left tarsal gland and had scraped and cuts here and there. Well Thanksgiving morning im in the stand watching this little crap head chaseing all my does around wishing he would leave and not run em off, when i noticed it was the same buck, however he was missing the left side. The sun came up high enough that i could see in my binos that he had not only broken it off, but it broke below the skin and ripped a long strip of the forehead flesh down past the eye right off exposing the skull. He seems fine, but it itches like crazy as he is constantly scratching at it with his back feet. The antler that is left is a fork. Is he a legal buck? I know the ARs say at least one unbranched spike, but what about a one horned critter? Im fairly certain he has lost his entire pedicle on that side. Skinner By definition antler is "protruding through the skin". Where then is the antler if the pedicle is indeed broken off? If you really want this deer get clarity from the game warden in Wise county. After harvest have him again inspect the head and get something in writing if you have any traveling to do.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Kaveman]
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12/02/09 02:10 PM
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Curly]
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12/02/09 02:28 PM
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I just want to read it from the man himself. Er, uh, that would be Kyotee1... 
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Curly]
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12/02/09 02:29 PM
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I just sent the TP&W an e-mail on it. Probably won't get an answer till tomorrow. Y'all are probably right about it being an illegal buck and that's fine. I just want to read it from the man himself. No offense but who knows, I might come across that very same hunting scenario myself someday and if I have no venison and it's late in the season, I wanna know for sure if it's legal to pull the trigger. Okay, I got a reply from the TP&W....... Here's the question I sent: "If a buck has 1 single unbranched antler on one side of his head and the
other one is either broke completely off or it never grew, is
this a legal buck to take?"Here's the reply: Subject: Web Site - E-MAIL REPLY REQUESTED - Hunting "That is a legal buck in any county that has an open deer season as long
as you do not exceed the bag limit for the county you are hunting in."So that's what I'm gonna go by.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: kyotee1]
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12/02/09 02:40 PM
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Chris, can you show us where you got this? 1" protruding = antler If the only one antler (since the other was broke off below the skin and not an inch protruding) is unbranched, then it would be legal.
If the only one antler is branched (since the other one is broke off below the skin and not an inch protruding, then it would be illegal. EDIT: Curly, WATCH IT, kyotee1 might have sent that reply to you. j/k  SHouldn't the question be: ...a BRANCHED antler on one side and a broken/etc antler on the other side?
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"If age structure is deemed to be valuable to management,...What percentage change in age structure or condition does TPWD recognize that it needs to detect in order to trigger a regulatory change? TPWD
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: PHishTX]
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12/02/09 03:27 PM
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Well not only do they make their own definitions, they get to change them or ignore them as needed....
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: PHishTX]
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12/02/09 03:43 PM
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SHouldn't the question be:
...a BRANCHED antler on one side and a broken/etc antler on the other side? [/quote]
EXACTLY! We already know if it "Has AT LEAST one unbranched antler" it's legal. Our question is if it has one branched antler only.
kyotee1 (probably sitting in a TWP office confering with co-workers and GWs) has already answered the question!
NOT LEGAL!!!
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: RICK O'SHAY]
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12/02/09 03:49 PM
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Sorry, my question was different. Oh well I sent a ligit question to the TP&W and got a ligit response so my question is answered.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: Curly]
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12/02/09 04:00 PM
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Sorry, my question was different. Oh well I sent a ligit question to the TP&W and got a ligit response so my question is answered. Exactly, the deer in the original example is illegal becasue it does not have at least one unbranched antler,i.e., it has one branched and one broken. Broken does not equal unbranched.
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Re: Antler Restriction question
[Re: kyotee1]
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12/10/09 03:53 PM
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kyotee1, you are lurking. You're no kyotee. Kyotees are heard but not always seen, you are seen but not heard. I'm watching you!lol
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