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Building an SBR
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04/21/24 01:21 AM
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Mickey Moose
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I don't have any experience with or knowledge of SBRs but, with an AR15 lower, I'm going to build one. I've been reading and watching videos but thought I'd get you guys to chime in cartridge selection and barrel length.
223 Rem has appeal as I'm not adding another cartridge to my inventory and I also already reload it, but I recognize there are better choices. My reloading bench also already has Hornady ELD-X 212 gr 30 cal. Not sure if those fit in anywhere. How about barrel length? Suppressor? Several people have told me and told me again to get one. I suppose I will.
Thanks.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 01:35 AM
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I have a few, I prefer the ones with 10” or so barrels, they are a handy size and always suppressed. It makes it a very manageable size, all of mine are 223/556. That is still a very effective round. I tried the 300blk but it wasn’t my friend, lol
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 01:38 AM
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I tried the 300blk but it wasn’t my friend, lol What did you not like about it?
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 01:53 AM
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What is the purpose of the will be short barreled rifle?
Zombies, SHTF, you just never know 5.56.
Stupid quiet with a suppressor but then better load options for super sonic hunting 300blk
Hunting focused trying to pull as much energy out of the rifle as possible and even shoot out to 800yards 6.5 Grendel.
I struggle to see the point of going SBR without a suppressor. So you mine as well be saving an extra $1000 on top of the SBR build. With wait times in a week or less it’s a no brainer if you can find anything in stock.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 01:57 AM
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What is the purpose of the will be short barreled rifle? Home defense. I guess I just learned people hunt with SBRs and have other uses as well.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 02:11 AM
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8” barrel with a suppressor sure is handy. Subsonics aren’t louder than dropping the hammer. And I’ve killed every pig and racoon I’ve pointed it at so far. Im moving the sightmark to a 12” 6.5 Grendel upper and will be putting a red dot on this blackout. With the statement of using the rifle for defense a 10.5-12.5” unsuppressed shot indoors will make your ears bleed so it really doesn’t seem like the best home defense option.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 04:21 AM
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I have one sbr I put together for work. If I did another I would just go 16” with a shorter can
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 04:37 AM
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I have one sbr I put together for work. If I did another I would just go 16” with a shorter can What is the SBR configuration? I already have a 16" (and an 18") and have some new lowers coming, so I need something short as I don't want to go longer than what I have.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 08:11 AM
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What is the purpose of the will be short barreled rifle? Home defense. I guess I just learned people hunt with SBRs and have other uses as well. A silencer isn’t going to do much for you in home defense. It will make the overall length more and increase your chances of fouling out and not working. I have SBR’s for hunting so after I screw on a silencer, its length isn’t unwieldy. That’s my take on silencers for dedicated home defense rifles.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 09:41 AM
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All I know is you don't want a 10" barrel 5.56X45 without a silencer.
Pass the gravy.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 11:23 AM
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When things get real, the report isn’t noticed much if at all.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 11:48 AM
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When things get real, the report isn’t noticed much if at all. It may not be noticed at the time, but the damage will be real. I really like my 300 blk for home defense. 10" barrel w/suppressor. Leupold red dot. Subs impact about 2" low at 20 yards (just fine for defense) and supers impact 1" high at 100. Can go from close up subsonic to supersonic out to 150+ yards with just a magazine change.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 12:34 PM
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When things get real, the report isn’t noticed much if at all. It may not be noticed at the time, but the damage will be real. I really like my 300 blk for home defense. 10" barrel w/suppressor. Leupold red dot. Subs impact about 2" low at 20 yards (just fine for defense) and supers impact 1" high at 100. Can go from close up subsonic to supersonic out to 150+ yards with just a magazine change. I’m well aware of the damage concerns and the odds of it ever being fired in anger. The OP said it was for home defense and nothing about dual use for hunting. A grand extra for something that’s going to sit by the bed with a tiny possibility of being used just doesn’t seem like money well spent to me. Factor in the other aspects of it and I’d just use a 16” gun and call it good but that’s me. If money is no concern, I’d choose a short, blowback, PDW with a can. I have this by my bed but no can due to the very small chance of it being used in a gunfight.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 01:22 PM
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When things get real, the report isn’t noticed much if at all. It may not be noticed at the time, but the damage will be real. I really like my 300 blk for home defense. 10" barrel w/suppressor. Leupold red dot. Subs impact about 2" low at 20 yards (just fine for defense) and supers impact 1" high at 100. Can go from close up subsonic to supersonic out to 150+ yards with just a magazine change. I’m well aware of the damage concerns and the odds of it ever being fired in anger. The OP said it was for home defense and nothing about dual use for hunting. A grand extra for something that’s going to sit by the bed with a tiny possibility of being used just doesn’t seem like money well spent to me. Factor in the other aspects of it and I’d just use a 16” gun and call it good but that’s me. If money is no concern, I’d choose a short, blowback, PDW with a can. I have this by my bed but no can due to the very small chance of it being used in a gunfight. I would assume that a home defense weapon would be taken to the range and practiced with. Also, the OP didn't say he was going to hunt with it, but he didn't say he wasn't going to. I'll take mine on walks and run across some pigs often enough that it's useful to have a magazine full of supers that I keep next to it.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 01:48 PM
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An AR SBR would be the last firearm I would consider for home defense. I would want something that has "shock & awe" to it. Mine is Beretta 1301 12 Ga w/ a .45 ACP pistol back up. I have SBRs, F1 & F4, but use them for hogs or range plinking. SBRs are cool but a waste of money IMO since you can't sell them (if you wanted to) unless you part them out minus the receiver. Not many people are going to want to buy someone else's project. YMMV
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 02:44 PM
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I'm going to build an SBR for my wife to have. Since I've made some custom .223 Wyle ammo for a 7 1/2" barrel with a powder no one would ever thing to lod in a .223 Wylde chamber, I gained back a whole bunch of velocity. So she will have a 10" barrel, with a suppressor, .223 Wylde chamber and a 1-6X scope. Not my statement, but I agree with it. "The pistol is for clearing the room. The shotgun is for clearing the house. The rifle is for clearing the neighborhood." Well, you know well about my "neighborhood".
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 03:11 PM
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When things get real, the report isn’t noticed much if at all. Agree and that's why I don't wear protection when hunting. Though hunting, for me, is a single shot - maybe a few. In the unlikely event this SBR is ever used it will be in the house and thirty rounds which won't be anything like hunting. The silencer isn't for the bad guy, it's for me. I get your point about the additional cost, but if I have the suppressor I could use it on other guns, so it's not simply sitting in the corner. Correct, no other use for this rifle other than home defense (and, thusly, some range time). No hunting, no "truck gun", I'm not law enforcement, no competition, nothing else.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 03:13 PM
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An AR SBR would be the last firearm I would consider for home defense. I would want something that has "shock & awe" to it. Mine is Beretta 1301 12 Ga w/ a .45 ACP pistol back up. I have SBRs, F1 & F4, but use them for hogs or range plinking. SBRs are cool but a waste of money IMO since you can't sell them (if you wanted to) unless you part them out minus the receiver. Not many people are going to want to buy someone else's project. YMMV The SBR won't be alone in home defense, I have options. I don't sell guns.
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Re: Building an SBR
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A bullpup is still on my list. Maybe a centerfire and a shotgun. Variety. It's the spice of life. If money is no concern, I’d choose a short, blowback, PDW with a can. It's not fancy (or small), but I have a S&W M&P FPC... 9mm blowback folding carbine, threaded muzzle, Aimpoint H2, flashlight. Came with one 17-round magazine and two 23-round magazines. I bought a third 23-round.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 03:43 PM
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In home defense, I want a gun in every room. An SBR is only one tool in the plan, but mine wears a can in this situation because I'll fight like I train, and I'm not training with a can-less SBR.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 03:50 PM
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An SBR is only one tool in the plan, but mine wears a can... What is the SBR and suppressor?
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Re: Building an SBR
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An SBR is only one tool in the plan, but mine wears a can... What is the SBR and suppressor? Not sure I understand your question. My personal kit?
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Re: Building an SBR
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An SBR is only one tool in the plan, but mine wears a can... What is the SBR and suppressor? Not sure I understand your question. What's the configuration... cartridge, barrel length, suppressor make and model, etc. Things you [dis]like?
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 04:32 PM
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An SBR is only one tool in the plan, but mine wears a can... What is the SBR and suppressor? Not sure I understand your question. What's the configuration... cartridge, barrel length, suppressor make and model, etc. Things you [dis]like? Gotcha... I SBRd one of my LMT lowers and installed a Geissele SSA-E trigger and SOPMOD stock. I have 2 uppers, one is a BCM 11.5" in 5.56 (soon to be ARP .223 Wylde) with an Aimpoint RDS. The other is a 12.5" Blackstone Arms upper (THF member) in 6.8 SPC-II with ARP barrel (Blackstone now owns ARP, BTW). Both wear adjustable gas blocks. I float a Saker 762 between the two using the YHM universal QD system. Love them both, but biggest gripe is the dirtiness of shooting cans, which increases the blowback. The suppressed 6.8 was a great platform for teaching the kids to hunt.
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Re: Building an SBR
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04/21/24 05:25 PM
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Best home defense shorty is an SBS
Shorter the shotgun, the better spread at closer ranges. Remington 870 police tactical at your local GT Distributor should run you $400-700 depending the condition.
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