Been looking on-line for some time now and everybody has been sold out. Walked into the gun shop yesterday and they had 20 boxes 25 grain, I got 10 of them. I'll go back Tuesday and get what's left if any. Figured I wasn't the only one that likes that little 17 so I'll give them a couple of days to grab some. I'd like to see them make a 22 cal off that case. That would be a serious little rimfire.