Creedmore Derangement Syndrome - The Sand Aggie is just a lil' put off because he successfully utilizes the newly coveted GayMore. Being concerned with how others think, he doesn't want to be thought of as going for a fad.

The Fade left after year 1, we are now on year 15.

Hornady did a very good job on ammo consistency, essentially you could buy competition ready ammo off the self. It’s an efficient cartridge that made a lot of rifle builders look awesome . 7-08 has much wider range of bullets available so it appeals more to handloaders.

Love or hate the 6.5 CM it’s a mild recoiling round that’s normally very consistent on ammo performance

Meh, I almost bought a CM once......but when I was looking for 6.5 CM ammo on line, all these ads of man bun wearing men kept popping up selling beard wax and designer jeans. I just couldn't do it. In all seriousness, I don't care what other people shoot and don't care what other people think. It's just a little good old fashioned ribbin'.

Yes, the damn thing works. I don't know why the hate. As I've said before, I bet WWII vets said, in 1952, the .308 Winchester was going to just be a fad. It's a 71 year old fad now.

I took a call an hour ago. The guy had a 6.5 Creedmoor built, and has been shooting Hornady ammo. He's ran it out to 1000 yards, but the ammo is now not up to what he's wanting. So, the rifle is coming to me. And he will end up rolling his own later this year, based off whatever recipe I come up with. I told him his barrel will be done in 2500 rounds. He said what I say "ok, I'll have another barrel put on and keep going."

Wait , you don’t use beard wax? Ol’son!!


Let’s be honest, Zeus only game mortals one weapon, the 257Wby.

I know plenty of men over 60 years old that went to the 6.5 Creedmoor. And it's their favorite cartridge of their lives.

My dad in his 80’s and switched from 270 to 6.5CM. Recoil is more tolerant for him. As long as I don’t have to track I don’t care what he shoots.

270 and/or 308

I shoot 270 and wife shoots 30/06. If I could only pick one it would be the 30/06.

Makes you wonder why it or something similar didn’t take root 50 or 60 years ago, because there is nothing cutting edge about a 140 grain bullet flying at 2700 fps.

I would be a large part of it would be todays media marketing, social media and Internet forums and information availability.

Media of yesteryear was controlled and you were only allowed to see and read what the advertisers and publications wanted you to.

50 years ago most rifles and components where minute of deer. You buy a box of Remington corelokts and hope they are atleast with in 6” of the old box. I also think a lot of them finally got over the big magnum or big caliber ego.

You can buy rifles off the shelf today that are as accurate as many target rifles of 50 years ago. Ammo has gotten better especially if you reload. Scopes have made a huge difference. With all of that plus the internet and information, ballistic apps etc. More people ate shooting longer range than ever.

There is nothing IMO the Creedmore cartridges can do that the 130 year old 6.5×55 cannot do but does take a grain or 2 more powder than todays darling.

For best Texas rifle 270, 280 and 30-06 doesn't matter all as well as many others will do the Job.

Heck look at what all game was almost lost to market and subsistance hunting with lead bullets and black powder.

It is not marketing, it is not hype.

It is good ammo support. Remington could have done the exact same thing with the .260 Remington, but they screwed it up, which was normal for them. Remington did not load a 140 gr going 2700 fps, and they did not offer multiple choices of bullet weights. I have hand loaded the .260 Rem, and the 6.5 Creedmoor thousands of rounds for both. The ending ballistics, out of a 24" barrel has been 2770-2800 fps MV, with a 140 gr bullet. The .260 Rem requires one more grain of H-4350, than the 6.5 Creedmoor, to achieve those speeds. The 6.5 Creedmoor case geometry is obviously more efficient. But the major point is, the .260 Rem was and is very capable of the same external ballistics. But people could not get ammo even close to the availability of the 6.5 Creedmoor, so the cartridge never took off.

The .308 Win was wildcatted into the .243 Win (6mm), .260 Rem (6.5mm) 7mm-08 Rem and .338 Fed.

The 6.5 Creedmoor has been wildcatted into the 6mm Creedmoor,.22 Creedmoor, and 257 Creedmoor. It works better than the .308 based cartridges as far as internal ballistics are concerned. And, in the last few years we have learned of the greatness of a small rifle primer inside a .470" bolt face, and seat a small rifle magnum primer. Annealing the case necks means the brass life exceeds 10 firings in many cases. And the Creedmoor based brass is available in small rifle primer or large rifle primer.

The Creedmoor is here to stay for a long time. Again, the damn thing works.

100% agree. These are facts.

18 years ago I was impressed that three of us were able to bounce a Coke can at 350 yards with a .22-250. The same three guys have now well exceeded thousand yard hits, at will. My personal farthest consecutive hits are 2180 yards as of right now. One of the other guys in the story competed in the King of 2 Miles for a few years and finished in the top 10%.

Technology improved and we embraced it. Information has been shared and we learned it.

No doubt Hornady got it right. I don’t believe if Remington had done the same with the 260 it would have taken off like the 6.5 creedmoor did though. Advancements in optics, particularly repeatable dialing exposed turrets becoming mainstream opened up a market segment that previously was relegated to only serious shooters. Now there are multiple creedmoor equipped snipers at every range.

As for the one texas rifle question, a 30-06 will do it.

I think it has a lot to do with demand. Producers make what people want. There are a lot more people interested in shooting 1,000 yards today it seems like than decades ago.

But that seems odd since there are so few 1000 yard rifle ranges.

Well they did have something just like that 50-60 years ago, the 6.5x55, 308, 300 Savage and the 7x57. not to forget the many attempts at similar cartridges, the 260 Remington or the dumped 257 Roberts. The big four were for many years the 243, 308, 270 and 30-06. The current media is the most controlled of all time.

22-250 - great for deer and turkey

I don’t even own one but I feel like a .300WM is the best do it all out there, you can run lighter 150-168grain stuff or 200+ it’s just a great round for doing anything in Texas. Short range, Long range, medium sized game or big game. All bases covered, ammo everywhere, .30 Cal killing power I dunno a big thirty is hard to beat.

The .300 Winchester magnum, also known as the Lord’s Caliber, is the best do-all caliber

But don’t try and convince anyone who doesent own one of that.

.270

Pref a pre-64 Model 70 : )

I normally dont comment on the 6.5 Creedmore fad and this may of allready been mentioned but having the 8 twist riflings is what gave it a edge over my 260 and several others i have
which are 9 or so rate of twist. I allready own a 260 so i did not need a 6.5 Creedmore but if the Creedmore had of been out when i was in the market for a 6.5 caliber i would of prefered an 8 twist over a 9. The 8 twist gives it the ability to fire a longer bullet and the longer the bullet the higher the Ballistic Coefficient which simple put is the bullets ability to overcome resistance in flight and that small change killed the popularity of the 260 and the 6.5 Creedmore fit in better with the long range crowd. My choice was 7mm-08 if i only had to pick one caliber for several reasons but thats just me. Im sitting in a hospital room with a wife that just had surgery hence the time to comment. I cant argue with any caliber mentioned if the bullet was well placed.

I have never heard any caliber called the Lord’s caliber. Certainly not a 300 Win Mag. I know you probably got carried away a little with your zeal for it.

300 Win Mag for the big stuff but certainly not needed or ideal for medium game.

I've shot about 20 different rifles chambered in it. Do not own one, and probably never will.