Does anyone have the spec for minimum performance velocity on the Lehigh 110 controlled chaos?
It's not listed on the WC site and I would like to smash some math & figure out some effective ranges before I triple my per shot bullet cost.

I don't get 10" .308 & the 8" AR uppers in a caliber that isn't designed for subs. Other than shooting subsonic rounds the only other redeeming quality that comes to mind is that they may hide a little better under a trench coat. It's not like I'm not on the SBR or pistol train being I have my share of them but in a HAM'R it's like cobbling a 3 cylinder Geo Metro motor in a Classic muscle car.

In regard to your 8" question - I haven't run my 110CC load through the chrono, but I have run the Hornady 110 SP and a couple of others.

Here's some numbers for comparison.

Hornady 110SP
8" - 2360
11" - 2500
16" - 2695

Speer 123 gold dot
8" - 2300
11" - 2405
16" - 2540

Speer 150gr BTSP
8" - 1960
16" - 2240

Speer 125 TNT
11" - 2290
16" - 2510

Lehigh 110 CC
11" - 2470
16" - 2640

I like your analogy with the cars. I look at that same analogy inverted though. It's like sticking a supercharged LS into a Geo Metro with a one gallon gas tank. You're not going to go far but you'll get as far as you can with an awesome punch.

Does anyone have the spec for minimum performance velocity on the Lehigh 110 controlled chaos?
It's not listed on the WC site and I would like to smash some math & figure out some effective ranges before I triple my per shot bullet cost.

I don't get 10" .308 & the 8" AR uppers in a caliber that isn't designed for subs. Other than shooting subsonic rounds the only other redeeming quality that comes to mind is that they may hide a little better under a trench coat. It's not like I'm not on the SBR or pistol train being I have my share of them but in a HAM'R it's like cobbling a 3 cylinder Geo Metro motor in a Classic muscle car.

The more I read this thread and other articles the more I want one. I always thought 300 blk was a stupid round unless you're shooting a suppressed sbr, but this seems to have a good punch. I just bought my first barrel from WC (6.5C), so hopefully, it performs great and gives me the confidence to buy another barrel.

Do these larger .30 caliber rounds tend to heat up the barrel fast? The largest AR-15 caliber I have currently is a 6.8. I see a "ranch" model that interests me, but looks awfully skinny.

That is almost surely not the minimum fragmentation velocity. If they fragged at 1500fps I can't see how would they get into the boiler room on a hog without fragging early when they are pushed at 2500fps?

If they market like Barnes that is probably the lowest impact speed for the tip to deform & will need another 200-400 fps to reach the beginning of the window for full potential.
PS, They have those same velocities listed for their .30cal match CC copper solids and every other CC bullet I've checked. It leaves me wondering if that's the minimum speed they want their solids pushed so they don't get sued for a shooter blowing up the gun with a squib.

I'm honestly leery of anything claiming full potential under 2000fps. There are several videos I've seen pig hunters shooting these CC in 300blk (supers) and it seems sort of obvious from the way some of the animals hardly do more than twitch as they run out of view that there's a velocity/terminal performance threshold not being met.

Glad I didn’t sell, got the ammo plant setup and cranking them out.

@Mr. Wilson, all of this talk of LH made me look around for some other options and I stumbled across this fine looking company. I was wondering if you've tried any of their products?

https://hammerbullets.com/product/308-cal-124g-hammer-hunter/

Perhaps I missed it in this ever growing thread.. but the bullet specs and heck even the name suggests it would make for an awesome load!

I've been hog hunting exclusively with the Lehigh 110gr CC over the past month and every hog I've shot has been DRT with barely a kick. The longest shot was 220yds. My load is pushing the bullet at 2620fps MV. The way the CC works is that it has to hit fluid to expand, so no matter how fast it impacts it doesn't start expansion/fragmentation until it's inside and impacts fluid in the animal.

Regarding "some of the animals hardly do more than twitch as they run out of view" this is the way a hog normally reacts if hit anywhere except the brain or spine. Trust me, a hit to the center of the neck will drop them 100% of the time and a center hit on the shoulder will kill them 100% of the time, they just normally run 10-50yds.. A hit anywhere else normally results in a non recovered hog.

OK, you have a supercharged v8. Cool in the drive way to show your friends but it can't make it from the Christmas tree down to the end of the 1/4 mile track with the fuel you have.
It's the same with 8" HAM'R losing the velocity and terminal performance on target before it reaches out to 100yds.

I don't have anything against truck guns or even short barrel truck guns, but I have zero need for a truck gun that can't dramatically increase the range of a cary gun. 3" of barrel length nearly doubles the effective range of all these projectiles because it pushes them over expansion velocities so much farther.

Side Note, Since length while fighting from inside of a vehicle is so important I will pay American greenbacks for video of someone uncorking a couple 2300+ fps rounds out of an 8" HAM'R from inside an enclosed vehicle.

I am not responsible for any of the after effects of such an action though.

That is almost surely not the minimum fragmentation velocity. If they fragged at 1500fps how would they get into the boiler room on a hog without fragging early when they are pushed at 2500fps?

If they market like Barnes that is the lowest impact speed for the tip to deform & will need another 200-400 fps to reach the beginning of the window for full potential.
PS, They have those same velocities listed for their .30cal match copper solids and it leaves me wondering if that's the minimum speed they want their solids pushed so they don't get sued for a shooter blowing up the gun with a squib.

I'm leery of anything claiming full potential under 2000fps and realistically I'd expect 2100ish+ impact velocity will be needed with their non scored bullets to reach it.

It's hard to know because most people shoot gel at standard distance.

My intent wasn't to question CC performance but to give an example of why the bullet wasn't going to work magic in an 8" gun.

I don't have any doubt the CC work remarkably well on animals when it's impacts them above minimum fragmentation velocities. No one who sees it questions that anymore than they would question that a CNS shot is the preferred 1st round shot placement on a hog.

It's the assumption that some have that a CC will perform the same from 1500fps to 2600fps that I am saying will likely not happen.

I've shot enough hogs past 100yds with HAM'R and x39 to notice there was an anomaly with the hog responses from the videos of the 300blk impacts compared to mine or most any that are shot with appropriate impact velocities. I'm not saying that it's a CC bullet failure or any shot placement problem of those 300blk hits not having much effect on hogs. Caliber is irrelevant if the bullet isn't moving fast enough to perform as designed.

The intent of design on the CC is to fragment from cavity pressure exceeding hoop strength. What I am suggesting is that if that hoop strength was light enough to explosively fragment after 3-4" of penetration on an animal at 1500fps it's also likely going to be of light enough construction that the nose is going to fold or fragment on impact of anything at 2500fps.

There are literally probably close to 100 pics and videos of hogs taken with CC from members here that show results from close range shots on hogs from 6.5 & .30 caliber rounds. Pretty much all of those demonstrate that is not the case. With that in mind I think it's a reasonable conclusion to state that the cavity construction on this 110gr HAM'R CC projectile isn't likely going to allow explosive fragmentation at the low velocities a 8" gun is going to yield out past 50yds.

"Hornaday 135FTX was made for the blackout and expands down to 1400 fps"

I suppose depending on what it impacted it could "expand" @ 1400fps but again that word is really subjective in the marketing material in this industry. The last time I was in the Hornady lab I was told the FTX line is designed to begin expansion at 1500fps but needs 1700fps+ for the frontal area to increase expansion enough to be effective on game.

I've seen a lot of dead dudes with ice pick entry and exits and I've seen quite a few men go back to doing what they were doing with holes made from the same rounds. It's all shot placement, black magic and luck in the end. If I have the option of using something that I don't have to carry on my belt I'll chose to have something that gives me the best chance of leaving a softball size hole in whatever I'd need to be shooting.

Bill,

In all my testing of the 110CC the petals of the bullet break off and create separate wound channels spiraling off on their own and the base continues on penetrating maintaining about 60 to 70 grains of recovered weight in the base alone.

What have you seen in testing on game and have you recovered any projectiles?

Thanks

Other than 12-gauge 00 tactical buckshot at close range (won't penetrate body armor), if you want softball size holes, you could carry this on your belt...

Took my new 300 Ham'r out yesterday evening for the 1st time. Had a boar about 160 lbs cone out. 130 grain HHC .
DRT right through shoulders. So far, so good!