Fixed 8x56mm Schmidt a friend has is a bad mofo for general hunting. It is a touch high with the 56mm objective but it is absolutely solid.

Well yes, I did think a mil-dot was an entire mil. I apologize if that is incorrect information.

Because he may have been kidding. I didn't know, that's why I asked.

It is not. The old dots were .2 in diameter. However, they do represent a yard apart, one from the other, at 1000 yards 1/2 a yard a aprt at 500, ect. But ranging with them can almost be considered a parlor trick now days. It's one of the last things they're used for. Laser range finders have been around for a very long time, and decent ones can be had for not much money. I explained more of what the Mil dots or hashes are used for several posts back.

Recheck your math/conversions

A mildot covers about 36 inches at 1000 yards and 39.37 inches at 1000 meters. Logic still works though.

I think I need to drink.

A Mil is a yard at a thousand yards, a meter at a thousand meters, an inch at a thousand inches, a centimeter at a thousand centimeters, ect. It's a ratio, more than anything.

But a guy doesn't even really need to know all that, in order to use the reticle.

This would have been much easier if President Carter put us on the metric system like he wanted.

Haven't had a drink in about 4 years but some people can sure put the pressure on ya.

Agree 100%. I was told as a kid in school that we were going to convert to the metric system (early to mid '70's). We all hated the idea until we started learning it, then we loved it. To this day, I curse the fact this country never converted.

I agree, silly we are not on it.

They told us the same thing in the early 60s. Even then I knew hell would freeze over first.

But in machining, and in loading ammo, we use thousandth and even ten thousandths.

Then go to building a structure and you're using a fractional tape measure.

Some kids have trouble figuring out both.

The United Nations should crack down on us and force us to adopt the metric system. The English don't even use English units anymore, we shouldn't either.

vx3 4.5 x14 with 30mm tube ought to do it
they make a simple duplex or b&c reticle

&$*@ the UN.

Agreed. I have a couple and am happy with them.

I thought all the VX3 variants have 1” tubes?

I have a Leupold VX3i 4.5-14x40 CDS. It has a Duplex reticle and exposed elevation turret so you have the option of dialing if you want to. I am thinking seriously about getting the same scope with the Wind Plex reticle to make long range wind holds a little more consistent, but I love the scope. I've dialed out to 1,000 and back and the tracking is true. You can get them for around $500. Another bonus is it's lighter than a lot of other scopes.

I'm not sure about the standard VX3 line, but the VX3i line is available with either 1" or 30mm tubes.

I have a VX3L 4.5-14x56 CDS (the one with the bottom of the objective cut out) on my 300wm and have been happy with it. It has a duplex reticle but I'm in the dialing camp. I've shot it out to 1,000 yards and really wished it had at least windage marks like the windplex reticle noted above. I made that shot with a stiff wind and was holding in what I felt was never-never land. In fact, I'm considering sending it off to Leupold to have that reticle installed.

Has anyone gone back and reread Page 1 of this discussion? The OP states that he does have interest in learning how to use a BDC or other type reticle and realizes the "Kentucky" way may not be the best.

I'm relatively new here so it's been interesting getting to know y'all over the last day or so. Lots of super experts. Would be interesting to see both methods at work by their masters on the same range, say in July in Wolfe City. I'd even bet that we would all share a cold brew after showcasing each's talents. If it happens, I'll bring a full ice chest.

I don't remember if I have suggested this or not, but how about a Burris Veracity? It is a relatively compact ffp scope with a recitcle to help adjust to wind and elevation. I honestly don't understand how that reticle works but it is less busy than a mildot or christmas tree recticle.

Most people think the christmas tree is too busy, it is but at least it's intuitive. The Veracity reticle was designed for hunters so it can't be that difficult, I just haven't messed with it.

Actually, it could be a bunch of fun and nice to put faces with names.

I would show up. Cooler weather in October might have a better turnout.