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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: TackDriver]
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01/23/18 02:23 AM
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Some guy says he shot at a buck and the bullet never hit it and that it died from the shockwave. ok, I may be one of "those" guys on this one. Back when I was shooting my 7mm WSM, I shot at a doe with her head down, aiming for the neck. She dropped dead at the shot. When I got up to her, there was a crease on her neck with no hair but the skin (hide) was not broken but she was very dead.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: Dennis in Ft Worth]
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01/23/18 02:30 AM
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A few years ago I met a friend of a family member for the first time. He seemed like a nice enough guy, but we started talking guns and stuff and he informed me that he handloaded his 243 Win to get over 4000 fps with 100 grain bullets. Maybe he did. I wouldn’t be around when he shot it, just in case.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: TackDriver]
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01/23/18 02:48 AM
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In all fairness, I have been guilty of the ballistic tip comment before, but that's because I don't hunt and used to classify things into 3 categories - FMJ, hollow point, ballistic tip. Obviously ignorant and incorrect. Some guy says he shot at a buck and the bullet never hit it and that it died from the shockwave. I'm dying over here.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: Buzzsaw]
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01/23/18 03:31 AM
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most of the stuff I read on here There is some truth to your statement specifically about rifles, scopes & bullets for hunting.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
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01/23/18 04:23 AM
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I have heard folks say that a bullet will actually rise before it begins its drop. Was any explanation offered for the wave like trajectory? People misunderstand LOS
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: Buzzsaw]
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01/23/18 04:25 AM
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Some guy says he shot at a buck and the bullet never hit it and that it died from the shockwave. ok, I may be one of "those" guys on this one. Back when I was shooting my 7mm WSM, I shot at a doe with her head down, aiming for the neck. She dropped dead at the shot. When I got up to her, there was a crease on her neck with no hair but the skin (hide) was not broken but she was very dead. You were shooting a Tikka probably!!
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 04:30 AM
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I once told my uncle after he explained how he Shot an elk at 750yds with his 257 Weatherby by just holding a little high on it’s shoulder that if that’s the case then he should be sure and step to the left if he ever missed a shot. He asked why and I explained that way when the bullet traveled around the world it wouldn’t hit him in the back of the head.
"Anyone taking up handloading necessarily plays with unknown factors and takes chances. But so does anyone who drives a car,goes to a cocktail party,eats in a restaurant,or gets married."
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 05:12 AM
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Dingding ding we have a winner ....DStroud's told the best 'un I've heard in LONNNNG time Ron
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 12:47 PM
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I'll tell new people I dove hunt with I'll only do head shots on them to preserve the meat.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 01:17 PM
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Heard an RO tell a man and his grandson they couldn't shoot his 22 on the 100 yard range due to the fact that it wasn't powerful enough to hit the target accurately. several folks have bragged about super fast ammo. 4000fps out of a 243 is a common one. had a guy tell me that his 3030 was running 3000fps.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
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01/23/18 02:06 PM
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I once told my uncle after he explained how he Shot an elk at 750yds with his 257 Weatherby by just holding a little high on it’s shoulder that if that’s the case then he should be sure and step to the left if he ever missed a shot. He asked why and I explained that way when the bullet traveled around the world it wouldn’t hit him in the back of the head. Friend of mine at work "JG, I think I have room for a thousand yard shot on my land". I said, put a laser range finder on it and get back to me. The next shift he came in like this "It is 500 yards. My gawd, yall can hit small targets at a thousand, hell 500 is a long damn ways".
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 03:39 PM
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I do believe I would have asked for a demonstration of that theory first hand.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 03:56 PM
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My 25-06 shoots in a corkscrew pattern just like it's supposed to.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 04:22 PM
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Had a guy swear up and down his Contender in 44 Rem Mag would blow a 1 inch hole in anything he shot, including paper targets. I called BS on it, but it turned out he was right. We were at the range one day and he demo'd it for me. Sure enough, there was a big ragged hole in the target when he shot it with that Contender. I said let me look at that pistol. He handed it over and I noticed something odd about the muzzle. Turns out he had been shooting it with the factory shotshell choke screwed into the muzzle. Took out all of the spin from the rifling and made the bullet tumble.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 05:41 PM
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Oh, the #1 thing I hear that's BS, is "that my gun doesn't like this XYZ bullet". That's a false statement (and true at the same time)! Yes, the true part is the current ammunition (load) you are shooting with that bullet your rifle does not like (currently). What your rifle does NOT like is the powder and powder charge used with that bullet. I can (generally) take most any bullet and make it shoot good out of that rifle that you said doesn't like this bullet, and make it shoot. I do this by tuning the powder and powder charge to the harmonics of the barrel. This will dial in "the bullet" to shoot accurately and consistently. I have done it MANY times!
Or, "My gun only likes XX grain weight bullets". No, it will like other weight bullets. Same thing as above.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
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01/23/18 05:46 PM
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I once told my uncle after he explained how he Shot an elk at 750yds with his 257 Weatherby by just holding a little high on it’s shoulder that if that’s the case then he should be sure and step to the left if he ever missed a shot. He asked why and I explained that way when the bullet traveled around the world it wouldn’t hit him in the back of the head. Yes! That's a good one. I had a similar experience at a store talking ammo and hunting. A guy said he shot an elk at about 700 yards by holding at the top of his back. I forget the slow round he was shooting, but I quickly said that animal wasn't 700 yards then. He argued, and I quickly told him what I did and ran a quick trajectory chart. I told him sure, that elk was probably 300-400 yards, but not 700. It's not possible with the round/bullet you are shooting and the hold on the elk you describe. He left mumbling off.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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01/23/18 06:19 PM
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Oh, the #1 thing I hear that's BS, is "that my gun doesn't like this XYZ bullet". That's a false statement (and true at the same time)! Yes, the true part is the current ammunition (load) you are shooting with that bullet your rifle does not like (currently). What your rifle does NOT like is the powder and powder charge used with that bullet. I can (generally) take most any bullet and make it shoot good out of that rifle that you said doesn't like this bullet, and make it shoot. I do this by tuning the powder and powder charge to the harmonics of the barrel. This will dial in "the bullet" to shoot accurately and consistently. I have done it MANY times!
Or, "My gun only likes XX grain weight bullets". No, it will like other weight bullets. Same thing as above.
I’m glad you’ve made this clear. It’s something I’ve always suspected, but didn’t have the experience to prove.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 08:03 PM
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I was at academy once and the guy behind the counter was trying to explain a scope to a guy. The scope had turrets and the guy behind the counter told the prospective buyer that you zero it at 100 yards the. Loosen the turret and turn to the 1 which was 1 MIL OR MOA not sure. Then he said to shoot at 200 place it on 2, 300 3 and that it would work all the way out to 1000 yards. To top it the buyer was bragging about getting into long Range shooting and was interest d in a 30-06. I just shook my head and walked away.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
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01/23/18 08:31 PM
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several folks have bragged about super fast ammo. 4000fps out of a 243 is a common one. had a guy tell me that his 3030 was running 3000fps. Mike Daly, Hodgdon’s Director of Customer Service, writes: “The 243 quickly gained a reputation for being a great hunting cartridge. When coupled with H4895 and a 55gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, the 243 will deliver over 4050 fps for taking varmints. For larger varmints, the Barnes 85gr Triple Shock” X-BT bullet will deliver great performance with a max load of H4350 driving it over 3200 fps. For deer and antelope hunters, it is hard to beat the Speer 100gr BTSP powered by H4350 at over 2970 fps. For Mule Deer, [I use] a Nosler 95gr Partition bullet driven to approximately 3085 fps by a maximum load of H4350. This combination has accounted for many deer, a few antelope and even a coyote or two.” accelerator Type Sabots for .30 Caliber Cartridges Now you can hand-load your 30 caliber handgun or rifle to shoot hyper-velocity .224 caliber bullets! Fit the .224 bullets into our Sabots with the Sabot Bullet Seater die. Then load the sabots as you would any .308 caliber bullet. The Bullet seater die is required for consistent seating of bullets into the sabots… accuracy requires consistency! Shoot to 3,500 fps in a 30-30... 4,200 fps in a 30-06. Free Load Data is Included with Every Sabot Order! Sabots flower away from the bullet after exiting the muzzle. Made of injection molded plastic, sabots won't harm your barrel and bores are easy to clean with Hoppes #9. On-Line Load Data - It includes advice for developing your own loads for various .30 caliber cartridges plus specific data for 30-30, 30 Herrett, 30 Carbine, 308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, 300 Weatherby Mag, etc. Click Here!
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
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I think NFA stuff brings out the derp in people, even ROs. Had an RO tell me (at elmfork) that i should should dial up about 6" when moving to the 100yd range (from the 50) because the suppressor kills all the velocity of a bullet, i was shooting my AR-10
I've had several ROs demand to see my "paperwork" (on SBRs, MGs and cans) because they are "required by law" to check it
or the classic "aren't those illegal?" or the "don't you need a class III license for that?"
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 10:24 PM
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Glad I don't have to shoot at a range amongst all the experts.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 10:27 PM
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Here's one on me... when did the 21 day waiting period to buy a handgun go away? I bought a glock a few weeks ago and was surprised I could take it home that day. At bass pro they even hand it to you at the gun counter and you carry it in the store. At academy I think they have a manager carry it to the door.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/23/18 11:02 PM
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Here's one on me... when did the 21 day waiting period to buy a handgun go away? I bought a glock a few weeks ago and was surprised I could take it home that day. At bass pro they even hand it to you at the gun counter and you carry it in the store. At academy I think they have a manager carry it to the door. i been buying guns a long time and never had to wait on one
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
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Oh, the #1 thing I hear that's BS, is "that my gun doesn't like this XYZ bullet". That's a false statement (and true at the same time)! Yes, the true part is the current ammunition (load) you are shooting with that bullet your rifle does not like (currently). What your rifle does NOT like is the powder and powder charge used with that bullet. I can (generally) take most any bullet and make it shoot good out of that rifle that you said doesn't like this bullet, and make it shoot. I do this by tuning the powder and powder charge to the harmonics of the barrel. This will dial in "the bullet" to shoot accurately and consistently. I have done it MANY times!
Or, "My gun only likes XX grain weight bullets". No, it will like other weight bullets. Same thing as above.
Well put, I was at the range sighting in a rifle after a scope change and was asked how fast the load was. I told them and they said I could get lots more speed out of a 25-06. I informed them I was after accuracy not speed. It is amazing how slowing a bullet down (or up) 100 to 150 FPS will do to tighten up your groups.
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Re: BS stuff about guns you hear?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/24/18 03:34 AM
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Not a gun topic per say but I’ve been told a coyote is the only animal fast enough to dodge a bullet.
When I asked how they figured that they said “well, it ducked when I shot at it”
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