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 Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/11/17 09:01 PM
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Glass is easy.
6x MQ or 10x MQ and hold the Fluff.
Hint................ I thought about the 10x HD. I bet that's a nice scope.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/11/17 09:03 PM
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Glass is easy.
6x MQ or 10x MQ and hold the Fluff.
Hint................ This guy sounds like he knows what he is talking about.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/11/17 09:03 PM
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I much prefer parallax adjustment,in a less obtrusive locale...because I'm a little hard on Riggin'.(grin)
6x MQ or 10x MQ and hold the Fluff.
Hint................
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/11/17 09:06 PM
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I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never get tired of being right. I do really love the SWFA 5-20, but I stilll think the lesson here is that the Vortex is an excellent scope - just not the right fit for my eyes. Really? You're going with "excellent scope" after all the warnings, after all the other options you were given, after buying a brand spanking new one, and it gave trouble. You're gonna go with "excellent scope"? Without hesitation. My scope history: SWFA 16x42 - tracked consistently but I only shot it to 300 yards so I can’t verify accuracy SWFA 3-15 SFP - POI shifted when changing mag range Sold my tactical stuff and got out of the centerfire game for awhile Next SWFA 16x42 - major issues with optics and tracking (returned for another 16x42) Next SWFA 16x42 - really good optics and consistent tracking, but inaccurate (up to .3 mils error at 6.5 mils from zero) Vortex PST2 - slightly stiff knob and reticle blur SWFA 5-20 - ? They all have issues and they’re all compromises in one way or another (quality, features, price). The SWFA 5-20 compromises on features. The Vortex PST2 compromises in QC, but it’s not like it’s made in a China or anything. It’s a good scope - just didn’t work for me. Lots of folks use and love them. If I’m not mistaken, the Gen 1 is the #1 scope in PRS production division (or was). And then Gen 2 is an upgrade in every way. I’m just at the point that I want the most bulletproof scope I can get and I think that’s the SWFA HD. If you’re looking new, I don’t know of another option that gives good turrets, good glass, great reticle, illumination, and zero stop at the $1k price point. Used is another story, but these will likely be the best value at their price point used as well once they’ve been out for awhile and prices settle down. Doesn’t mean that you can’t spend more and get more (like the ERS for example), but I don’t at all believe these are junk either. I can appreciate your scientific approach to your experience. But I would not label it as "excellent" if you immediately got rid of it, that just doesnt make sense. I can give the SS 5-20 HD excellent marks, in several sections, toughness, reliability, tracking, return to zero. Mine looks like crap now, because it has seen so much use. I won't even give my 6 month old NF ATACR "excellent" marks just yet, because it just doesn't have the round count on it yet. I will bet on it, but I need more time with it to verify.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/11/17 09:08 PM
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Variables,cain't hang with Fixed,whether Scopes,Spotters,camera lenses or anything else.
Hint..............
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/11/17 09:16 PM
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J.G.
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Well here you are wrong yet again, with a blanket statement.
I look forward to your departure, which won't be long now. That way so many of us don't have to go behind you and make corrections.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: J.G.]
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11/11/17 09:17 PM
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Well here you are wrong yet again, with a blanket statement.
I look forward to your departure, which won't be long now. That way so many of us don't have to go behind you and make corrections. It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you MUST. Hint............
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: J.G.]
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11/11/17 09:28 PM
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I can appreciate your scientific approach to your experience. But I would not label it as "excellent" if you immediately got rid of it, that just doesnt make sense. I can give the SS 5-20 HD excellent marks, in several sections, toughness, reliability, tracking, return to zero. Mine looks like crap now, because it has seen so much use.
I won't even give my 6 month old NF ATACR "excellent" marks just yet, because it just doesn't have the round count on it yet. I will bet on it, but I need more time with it to verify. That's fair enough. Mainly what I meant was that it's an excellent value at the price point. However, the SS 5-20 HD is really in a different league than anything I've used before. I'm looking forward to putting it through its paces.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/11/17 09:34 PM
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I can appreciate your scientific approach to your experience. But I would not label it as "excellent" if you immediately got rid of it, that just doesnt make sense. I can give the SS 5-20 HD excellent marks, in several sections, toughness, reliability, tracking, return to zero. Mine looks like crap now, because it has seen so much use.
I won't even give my 6 month old NF ATACR "excellent" marks just yet, because it just doesn't have the round count on it yet. I will bet on it, but I need more time with it to verify. That's fair enough. Mainly what I meant was that it's an excellent value at the price point. However, the SS 5-20 HD is really in a different league than anything I've used before. I'm looking forward to putting it through its paces. If it behaves like the one I've had for 5 years, it will not let you down. Mine is the one I call "ole reliable", it's shot or spotted tens of thousands of rounds, and had never been sent in. I'll always have a place for it, I will never sell it. Yes there's some slightly better glass, yes theres locking turrets out there, yes theres zero stop, yes there's reticles that people may prefer, but for what I spent on the SS 5-20X, it has been worth every penny. I did add a cattail to it, though. Go buy some Zeiss lens cleaning wipes, and a lens pen. Keep the glass clean, and run it.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/11/17 09:37 PM
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"Spotting" is TRULY the scope "test".
Oh my.
Hint.............
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/11/17 09:39 PM
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Well yeah, it does test how the glass does, amd how well it can focus through the mirage.
Who ties your shoes for you?
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
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11/11/17 09:52 PM
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I enjoy your Imagination and Pretend,almost as much as you do...though for VERY different reasons,all of which escapes your "comprehension". Hint. Feel free to "convince" yourself,that you could wear my boots. Laughing!  Nothing wears out a scope,like looking through one!..................
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/11/17 10:00 PM
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Keep the blinders on, life is probably easier for you that way.
Glass clarity, by the way, is a function of any optic, including rifle scopes. There are some optics that, that is all their job is, to view. No reticle, no turrets, just image. In fact, a poll of hundreds of precision shooters showed glass clarity made an extremely close second to proper tracking. If you could open you mind just a bit, read more and write less, you could go see it at precisionrifleblog.com
Cute pic of a chainsaw, and about 5 pounds of clothing . I've cut down lots of trees. I've also cut open roofs, wearing 60 pounds of gear, breathing air from a tank on my back, in 100 degree weather, with fire coming out of the opening I'm making in the roof.
Wearing your boots would be an easy day off.
Nice try though.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/11/17 10:07 PM
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I don't need to "read" about it...I simply USE it. Hint. You've never even seen a tree....but it is HILARIOUS that you "think" you have. Bless your heart! One needs to have their first day ON,before they fret a day off and you've less than zero clue. Hint.  Your copious Insecurities,are very WELL founded. Congratulations?!?..............
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/11/17 10:26 PM
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Evidently you habe forgotten what you've used. Because I am absolutely correct about optical clarity being a major feature in any rifle scope, despite your attempt at deflecting. You obviously lost yet again today. We've got a known troll, who is in ban camp right now for trolling, that was the resident expert at deflecting. You may give him a run for his money, fraud.
If you have the brain power to multiply, you can multiply 19 years and you will find how many days I've had "on".
"Never even seen a tree."
Now you've comfirmed to me that you are mentally unstable.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/11/17 10:29 PM
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It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you MUST.
Spotters are for Observation...a scope simply totes a reticle,until it's needed.
Now you "know" too.
Hint.................
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/11/17 10:33 PM
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J.G.
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You can believe what you want, but you will still be wrong.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
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11/11/17 10:35 PM
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Facts and Physics don't need "belief".
Hint.............
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/12/17 12:20 AM
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Busheler - if you don’t have anything of substance and relevance to add to the discussion, please leave it.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: patriot07]
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11/12/17 12:33 AM
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You haven't the faculties,to cypher a first clue.
Someone who "knows" and "does" as "much" as you...will always be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers".
Hint..............
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/12/17 12:44 AM
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You haven't the faculties,to cypher a first clue.
Someone who "knows" and "does" as "much" as you...will always be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers".
Hint.............. LOL, if you only knew. In the words of one of my wife’s students (speaking to one of his friends): If I wanted to kill myself, I would climb up to your ego and jump down to your IQ.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/12/17 12:44 AM
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You haven't the faculties,to cypher a first clue.
Someone who "knows" and "does" as "much" as you...will always be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers".
Hint.............. 8. We promote a friendly atmosphere for hunters to exchange ideas. Differences of opinions are welcome and are an important part of this format. We do not, however, tolerate those that try to start an argument with every post. If you are looking to agitate people, simply to get a response or if you are a troller, this is not the place for you. 9. No personal attacks – if you disagree with someone, state your case intelligently and back it up with facts. You will be warned once. If the behavior continues, you will be banned from the forum for at least a month and possibly permanently. Hint..............
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
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11/12/17 12:47 AM
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Hate see folks spend money,so very unwisely...............
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
[Re: Busheler]
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11/12/17 02:12 PM
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You had nothing to say about where people spent their money. You only wanted to argue about scope clarity and show a picture of you and a chainsaw, probably your Grinder account profile pic.
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Re: Vortex Viper PST Gen 2
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11/12/17 02:17 PM
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You "forgot",how much you "don't care". Bless your heart. "Clarity" is a ruse. Hint. Mechanical aptitude,is not. Hint. I have seen a chainsaw.  Your Insecurities are very WELL founded...............
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