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Disc or Plow?
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11/02/17 09:18 PM
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HCGedge3
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I bought a tractor and it came with a box blade, I am wanting to do some food plots on my lease and I’m not sure if I need to buy a disc or a plow. I would assume the disc but I’m pretty new at this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. My lease is in Albany TX if that helps any.
Thanks in advance
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/02/17 09:24 PM
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What size tractor are we talking about? 4x4? If its under 45- 50hp, IMO you will be happier with a disc
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/02/17 09:37 PM
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Unless the ground is super hard go with the disc- you will cover more ground faster. I bought a middle buster to help with really hard ground but generally only use a disc.
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/03/17 12:57 AM
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What size tractor are we talking about? 4x4? If its under 45- 50hp, IMO you will be happier with a disc It’s a 45hp 4x4
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/03/17 01:53 PM
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Get a disc and if you later find you need a plow for certain things you can find one used.
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/03/17 03:44 PM
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What size tractor are we talking about? 4x4? If its under 45- 50hp, IMO you will be happier with a disc It’s a 45hp 4x4 Then I'd take rickym's advice above and start out with a good disc. With a disc and a shredder, you can usually do what is needed. Get one at least as wide as your wheels, 6-7' probably, tandem disc "harrow".
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/03/17 03:52 PM
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/03/17 04:01 PM
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My adivce.
Buy a Disc but Contract out having it initially breaking plowed and then have it done again every 4-5 years.
You will save money in the long run in disc’s, bearings, shear bolts, and diesel but having it plowed on a rotation
I do between 50-100 acres a year with a 65hp
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/03/17 08:23 PM
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My adivce.
Buy a Disc but Contract out having it initially breaking plowed and then have it done again every 4-5 years.
You will save money in the long run in disc’s, bearings, shear bolts, and diesel but having it plowed on a rotation
I do between 50-100 acres a year with a 65hp Great advice BOBO! The initial work with a plow will save a lot of time on the disc with one caveat. How the ground was cleared and what is below the service is everything. I've hand cleared some food plots of brush and will use a disk for about five years before introducing the plow. That will give the stuff below a chance to rot. I still expect to shear a couple of bolts though. After that, I'm golden and will break the ground with a plow about every five years. A deer's hooves deliver quite an impact to the soil over time. Using a contractor for the initial work would more than likely bring heavier equipment into play. The other side is that you could probably buy a plow for less than what the contractor is going to charge you and then you have one. Most dealers have used two, three, and four bottom plows lined up. I think I paid $350 for my Ford 101 14" three-bottom. That was years ago but I was browsing a line of equipment a couple of weeks ago on a lot and a similar plow was $350.
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/03/17 08:31 PM
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If possible, sell the tractor and use the money to pay a neighboring farmer/rancher to do it each year. You'll be money ahead and will be able to spend your time on fun stuff.
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/03/17 09:49 PM
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Best for a smaller tractor would be to get a single row subsoiler like this.... mow the grass down low as possible then run this through it long ways of the pasture then cross it the other way. This will break things up a lot better to prep for the disc harrow... once you run a few paces with the harrow it will be ready to spread and then just drag back over the field lightly with the disc or a drag... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007T6PM60/ref...la-349105465339
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/04/17 01:52 PM
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If possible, sell the tractor and use the money to pay a neighboring farmer/rancher to do it each year. You'll be money ahead and will be able to spend your time on fun stuff. Some of us think this is fun stuff!
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/04/17 04:36 PM
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It is fun to watch all of your hard work...I mean fun....grow and the deer feeding out in something that you did. disc is the only way to go
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/06/17 02:39 AM
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Best for a smaller tractor would be to get a single row subsoiler like this. Funny you should mention the subsoiler. I've been thinking about a Dirt Dog All Purpose Plow, the APP85-9 specifically. We have an abundance of grass in my area, and a moldboard is great when it comes to flipping it for a solid kill, but I would like the APP to bust established food plots that have hardened, especially at the end of the summer.
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/06/17 12:18 PM
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My adivce.
Buy a Disc but Contract out having it initially breaking plowed and then have it done again every 4-5 years.
You will save money in the long run in disc’s, bearings, shear bolts, and diesel but having it plowed on a rotation
I do between 50-100 acres a year with a 65hp Yep, plows or middle busters are made to break up areas that have never been worked so they can be more easily disked. If you've ever had the chance to compare a disk being worked on areas that have and have not been broken before you would easily see the difference. The only time I use my box blade is for smoothing damage made by hogs.
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/06/17 12:35 PM
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If possible, sell the tractor and use the money to pay a neighboring farmer/rancher to do it each year. You'll be money ahead and will be able to spend your time on fun stuff. Some of us think this is fun stuff! One of the fun things about having a lease.
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Re: Disc or Plow?
[Re: Ranch Dog]
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11/06/17 03:27 PM
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Best for a smaller tractor would be to get a single row subsoiler like this. Funny you should mention the subsoiler. I've been thinking about a Dirt Dog All Purpose Plow, the APP85-9 specifically. We have an abundance of grass in my area, and a moldboard is great when it comes to flipping it for a solid kill, but I would like the APP to bust established food plots that have hardened, especially at the end of the summer. You would love it! especially for anyone with alot of rocks.. it will show the big ones with little damage to equipment before you disc. people dont realize how much those subsoilers/chisels really work a tractor but I think your working with a 70hp+ from what I remember so youll be good. Just a reminder to anyone thinking of something like this iv seen a 5shank chisel stop a 50hp tractor in its tracks.. why i would recomend the single shank for anyone with a 45hp- size machine
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/06/17 03:29 PM
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Ranch dog if you get one try and find one with the QH style hook up.. will save you alot of cat pins in the long run
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/06/17 03:40 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Best for a smaller tractor would be to get a single row subsoiler like this. Funny you should mention the subsoiler. I've been thinking about a Dirt Dog All Purpose Plow, the APP85-9 specifically. We have an abundance of grass in my area, and a moldboard is great when it comes to flipping it for a solid kill, but I would like the APP to bust established food plots that have hardened, especially at the end of the summer. RanchDog knows this but For anyone reading.. if you go this route - Go buy Etc shear bolts, don’t buy higher then grade 5 bolts you will bend that chisel in half. There are no short cuts with sub 100hp implements, any thing deeper then the first 3” will get you in a bind
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/06/17 09:29 PM
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RanchDog knows this but For anyone reading.. if you go this route - Go buy Etc shear bolts, don’t buy higher then grade 5 bolts you will bend that chisel in half. There are no short cuts with sub 100hp implements, any thing deeper then the first 3” will get you in a bind And... when you buy shear bolts, buy a bag of them! The Dirt Dog I'm thinking about uses spring trips. If you haven't worked with them, you lift the implement after the trip and back up as you lower it. That will reset the trip. Actually, after clearing the sheared bolt, that is how you reset any tripped implement. Be sure you clear that busted bolt though! If you are looking for a used plow, look for one with spring trips rather than shear bolts as there is generally no difference in price.
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/06/17 10:24 PM
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I would like a moldboard with three 14" bottoms and is reversible or a rollover. For those of you new to plowing, a bit of a lost art, moldboarding is done in a single direction, of the last cut. You can split a field into two or more directions, but you must be aware of how you are putting the soil into motion for several years to come. A reversible or rollover moldboard allows you to come back against the finished row, working the two completed rows against each other for stability. Here is a large four-bottom rollover at work. At about the 2-minute mark, at the end of a row, you will see the operator roll the moldboard over. The rollover and coming back down the just finished row saves a lot of tractor time. https://vimeo.com/69441063The video notes that the colters have been removed because they were fouling in the debris. My 101 came with them, and the first thing I did was toss the colters. I live at the confluence of the Post Oak Savannah, Gulf Prairies, and South Texas Plains and all the regions have grass in their names, lots of it and it will bring a tractor to a dead stop. A moldboard is great for killing it though!
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/07/17 03:11 PM
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Your land needs to be very flat for the bottom plow though or you left with big time erosion issues.. lime and or fertilizer will need to be timely with bottom plow uses also.
they do make a purdy fluffy dirt though
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/07/17 04:44 PM
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We have a 50HP tractor and we ended up using a two bottom plow to turn over the grass and weeds growing in our open fields (after brush hogging it). After we let it sit for a week or so, we came back and ran the disc in various directions over the upturned clumps from the plowing. After that we created a seed bed by dragging a homemade 12" which metal pipe that was 8ft long (welded to a 3pt mechanism) and we smoothed the areas out. It made for a great seed bed. Finally, we spread the seeds through a road corn feeder (but we closed the hole opening to adjust for whatever seeds we planted). We did that with a UTV and had a roller on the back, so we packed the seeds while distributing them in one pass. You are limited with certain implements with a smaller HP tractor, but you can achieve great results if you use the right ones. Two bottom plow was $250 used and looked like this one:
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Re: Disc or Plow?
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11/08/17 04:34 AM
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Check this out, found an outfit in Europe that customizes tractors with forwarding PTOs and hitches so that tillage can be added to the front as well. I get it, especially with a plow. Very impressive.
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