I used to be able to run a mile in about 6 minutes. Whats the flight time for a bullet?

2.8+/- seconds or less depending on which bullet combo.

7 WSM

Have you tried to find ammo in the 7 WSM? It's near impossible to find brass. The only way to run a WSM is on a long action, which defeats the concept of a "short" mag. IMO, the very LAST round I would pick a any WSM caliber for 1K+ shooting.

The 197 Sierra shoots quite well from my 28 Nosler although have only played with it to 650 yards so far.
Was really impressed with last trip to range when the load had a ES of 3fps but only fired 4 rounds.
Plan to give this new load a try in the next match. I am running the 197 at 3060fps and that's not max as I have run up to 3220 but that's definitely on the HOT side and primer pockets will only go 2 reloads at those speeds.

Right.

I love the people the chime in, that have zero real world experience in this arena.

It's quite simple really. Load a big [censored] bullet, with a high BC, on top of lots of powder, to push it as fast as you can. Short action brass does not do that as well as very long pieces of big brass.

Take it easy on Buzz. A guy shooting a 7 WSM with 176 Cauterucios held the 1 mile 10 shot group record for awhile about 10 years ago, built on a Savage no less. So it is not crazy, but new brass is nowhere to be found in the last few years, which effectively eliminates it from consideration. The 7/300 WSM is the way to go to fill in for the 7 WSM if one wanted to go that route.

DStoud, how long is your barrel? Those numbers are impressive. 3200 with the 197 is surprisingly fast, at least to me. What is the COAL and twist rate?

The 28 Nosler looks like a great round. With your 3060, that is 53 MOA at 1760, which closely matches the 338 Lapua with the Warner 256 at 2900. Brass appears to cost the same, which is a bit surprising.

It's a 28 inch 1/8 twist Benchmark barrel and is throated long for the 195's.
The load started out at 3160 but kept getting faster as the barrel broke in and with warmer temps. That was with 195's / R33 and after getting some 197gr I decided just for information to try N570 and it shot so well decided to run it for a while.

Another great time that good things just come together... Three hoorahs

Holla Jeff, im pretty sure the day i met you i was shooting 180 bergers out of my wissm and you were running the 176's. To the subject ill always have a soft spot for 7 short mags but no viable option for 7 wsm brass takes that out of the consideration. And hell if a suam is an option ill make you a smoking deal on ome i dont shoot anymore on a stiller action. That being said, its not even close to playing at a mile+ like a 7-300 28 or one of the big bores. Ive owned 338 lapua, and can build anything i want and after a couple years of mulling it over and crunching #'s i got with kiff and designed the reamer for the 7-300 to be as simple as possible to launch a 195 at roughly 3k give or take. Its a simple neck down load and shoot. Screw fire forming and changing shoulder angles while eroding your throat, i simply dont have the time and budget to justify all that. I wanted the least amount of effort to cost effectively build a 2000 yard rifle. You can run bigger rounds or over bore rounds and gain a slight advantage but its at barrel life, brass cost, and ease of shooting exspensice. Kind of the kiss principle. Theres a dozen or more diff ways to do what you want to do, you just have to decide how much effort its worth. And what kind of life you expect to get out of your barrel. I may be the only rifle builder alive trying to save people money and barrel/ gunsmith cost, but I dont do it because im trying to make a living at it, i do it because i love to do it. Oh and forget that hill country rifle 2000 yard crap, that was a joke. All day long launching rounds to finaly get a solid hit as the light of evening fades was the definition of spray and pray. I would have been embarrassed to show that.

Here is how you make 7mm WSM brass I make it out of 270 WSM which is plentiful then I fire forming it to my gun and so I have new brass. My second question is thousand-yard to 2000 yard ranges are like hens teeth build a gun you must shoot it!
Where will you shoot it?

No.

He deserves everything he gets.

quit being a Richard you richard

I told you in that PM, don't dish it out if you can't take it.

The 7 WSM isn't that bad, if it's built on a long action and throated long. But they can be a little finicky. Most WSM rounds can be difficult to dial in on a hunting rifle.

I spoke with someone who has been shooting a .28 Nosler for a while and felt like the barrel life is around 800 rounds. Does that sound right?

Yes, that's about right.

You are right, especially about brass availability. A good, long, fat case is needed, I will leave it to all the experts. You know me, always keeping things lively with meaningless posts

I agree with a good long fat case.
I I would suggest a 7mm x378 or a 30x378 Weatherby which will meet that criteria.
There are a lot of large capacity parent cases the main thing is getting maximum powder capacity for the actions you use.
I have to 7mm WSM 1 hunting rifle and a heavy barrel and even though they're accurate guns you don't have enough velocity or muzzle energy to do any good and you would have a very big drop with that weapon.

It is hard to find a place to shoot a mile for sure. I attempted twice on different pieces of property and could only get about 1500 yards but then while dove hunting last season I found a stretch of ranch road on a friend's ranch that was perfect. Used a Sig 2000 RF along with gps mapping app to verify it was a mile.
One trick I learned that day was to slowly drive a vehicle down where the target will be placed with a license plate facing the RF as it was easy to get a solid reading off of due to reflectivity.

Here is my shot and I also have video but at a mile not much to see.
Not sure you can see in the picture but I dialed too much wind and in the dirt (scuffed mark)you can see the first shot missed just outside the right leg and the second went between the leg and the plate and then hit on the 3rd round.

Impressive Very nice shooting right there.

DSTROUD, the real deal!!! Awesome set up. Great shooting

That's badass, David! We're shooting at a range around Fort Worth. The guy has a lane for 2000 yards if you ain't skeered. Text me and I'll line you up on it.

Sweet! Here's a video of us shooting the 1 mile tower at the old NTRP range. Rifle is a custom 300 RUM shooting the Hornady 225 BTHP about 3150 fps. The shooter is Eddie Belfour, the previous Dallas Stars goalie. The wind was picking up and letting down, so I was calling the wind holds for the shooter.



If you go to YouTube link below, it will pull up a lot of the 1 mile videos from that match.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chadtrg42