1 Mile Rifle

A few of my shooting buddies have been shooting over a mile lately and it has me hankering for a 2000-yard caliber. What do yall think is the most sensible cartridge for that distance, as far as brass cost and availability, bullet selection, powder consumption, common or custom reamer, etc?

Buy chads 7mm-300 and go play

Not a lefty. I'm building my own.

I forgot you were wired wrong. My bad.

7mm-300 Norma is what I'd build.

416 Barrett

50 bmg and dont look back

20mm canon?

338 lapua

I've been crunching numbers for months. Even did last night at the Fire station. The absolute most cost effective cartridge is the 7-300, loaded with H-Retumbo, and a 195 gr Berger EOL. Trust me, there's not a more cost effective way to do it.

28 Nosler brass is very high.
.338 LM, everything about it is expensive, and it ain't all that at a mile, plus.
.50 BMG, and cases from it, aren't doing anything more than delivering more energy, and again at a high cost of components. Hell for .50 BMG you need a special press and very expensive dies. .300 Norma Mag loaded with a 220 gr ELD-X runs below 1340 fps (the real velocity to look for, for stability) 200 yards before the 7-300 And the 195 EOL.

Go dig for yourself if you think I'm wrong.

It'll do it, with authority. Brass costs more than Win Mag.

a 338 Norma is going to out perform the other options. The Cheytac family is to expensive and to specialized to keep it cost effective. 338 Norma can run fancy lathe turned solids of Berger 300's that perform flawlessly. My 338 norma is ridiculous. Pay attention to the time of flight.

if you were asking for a hunting gun, 28 nosler. Target gun is the 338 Norma

What bullet?
What charge?
What MV?

And not everybody has your budget, you crazy Guinea.

First off where will you be shooting? Altitude makes a difference in how long you retain velocity. Second whats your budget, when you start shooting at past 1k costs add up very fast.

I'll be shooting in Texas. Altitude is the last reason I would choose a caliber of rifle. If it won't stay supersonic to 1760 yards at sea level, I don't want it. I didn't include a budget because I was specifically asking for the most cost-effective cartridge for my intended purpose, and I shoot past 1k with at least 5 of my current rigs.

Broad brush, there.

That's not entirely true.

No joke. I have at least 5 rifles that have hit that distance. None of which are good for 1760 yards.

338's can utilize bullets that are hard to match in smaller calibers, although 7mm is a really sweet spot with plenty of options that will make it to a mile well enough. 7/300 WM is about the least expensive route. The 28 Nosler looks good. 7WSM will do it and held the best 1 mile group for awhile using 176 Cauterucios, but brass is erratic now. The 7 mm bullets are the best intersection of price and performance.

Among the 338's, 338 Lapua is the reference by which others are measured. 338 RUM is a less expensive route for a receiver and brass when it is available. A 338/300 RUM aka 338 Edge has lots of reasonably priced brass and R700 receivers and clones are abundant. Savage makes a decent affordably (relative term) priced 338 Lapua in a target configuration as does Montana Rifle Company.

For reference- 308 175 SMK, 308 210 Berger, 338 256 gr Warner. G1 .856, G7 .480 which will run 2900+ in a 338 Lapua.

enough talk already,,,lets build this beeeeeech !!!!!

I'm pumped to see somebody buying new guns besides me.

Nightforce ATACR ????? or step up to the BEAST ?????

YEEEEHAW and no Tikka action !!! Whoop Whoop

love ya'll

Talking out your rear again.

ATACR is a step up from the Beast.

Not trying to be difficult, but I think you're making his point for him...

I guess I got them backerds

For purely elr the beast with it's .2mil subtension turrets would be pretty handy. Other than that I believe they are the same.

If staying supersonic past a mile at sea level is a requirement, then that will narrow your options alot, as my 300 RUM barely makes it a mile at sea level staying supersonic pushing a 230 berger at 2985.

That's why it'll probably have to be a 7mm. 28 Nosler or 7 SAUM maybe.

Like Dave and jeffbird said, there's a cost vs. performance you have to figure. The most economical way to get out to 1 mile is with a 7mm. Anything past about 1200-1400 yards, BC and muzzle velocity become major factors. Out to about 2000 yards and beyond, BC, muzzle velocity and now, bullet weight, become the major factors. Also, do NOT use G1 BC's for comparison. You need to be looking at G7 BC's. Why- read HERE.

Up to 1 mile, the most economical way is to push a 7mm bullet about 3000 fps or more. I went with a 300 Win Mag case necked down to 7mm. I'm running the Berger 195 EOL right at 2990 fps and it will stay super sonic out to about 2000 yards. The 195 EOL has a G7 BC of .387.I have shot it to 1 mile, it performed flawlessly. Previously, I had been running my TRG 42 in 300 Win Mag with a Hornady 225 BTHP at 2800 fps out this far. There is a noticeable difference in the performance for the 30 cal 225 vs. the 195 7mm. The 7mm has a higher BC and is being launched faster, which equates to much less drop and much less drift. If you run the cost of a necked down 300 Win Mag, it's very attractive on the cost side, and with great performance. (And yes, it will smoke a 338 Lapua in the drop and wind drift)

If you step up to a 338 caliber, you gain in weight and BC, but lose a little velocity with this weight gain. The Cadillac of the .338 bullets is the Berger 300 grain OTM tactical with a G7 BC .421. It has a higher BC than the 7mm, but you lose a little velocity and gain in bullet weight. You can run a 338 Lapua with a 300 grain about 2700 fps. I have customers' rifles that run the 300 grain at 2620 and 2680 (where the accuracy node was), but can go faster, they just didn't shoot as good. You can get 2700 fps with a longer barrel, but it generally shoots best about 2650 fps.

The next step up in 338 would be something like a 338 Edge, or similar big case design. You can run the 300 grain about 2800-2850, with a longer barrel and a stout load of slow burning powder. The will out perform the Lapua, but at the cost of brass, brass forming, and decreased brass life. The Edge is based on a RUM case. The RUM case is a rebated case, meaning the case head is smaller than case body. The case body is .016" wider than the case head. This creates much more pressure on the case head than a normal round does. What this means is you will wear out primer pockets VERY fast. I have customers that we only get about 1 reload out of their brass cases because they want a "fast" round. No problem, but you will be buying much more brass. Again, cost vs. performance.

A couple factors you have to consider and calculate, is bullet stability and barrel twist rate. You need to make sure your bullet is adequately stable not only at the muzzle, but through the transonic range also. It's not just where the bullet goes below the speed of sound, but the transition to this area. Transonic starts at 1340 fps. If a bullet is not adequately stable going into the transonic range, it will begin to yaw, which will cause it to wobble and then tumble, which will lose control. For example, I have pushed some 208 A-max bullets out of a 308 Win that would shoot 1/3 moa as far as you could shoot it. One customer had 2" groups at 600 yards, and about 3"-4" groups at 800. Starting at 900 yards, he would be all over the place, and at 1000 yards, it would be out of control and fully random impacts. Running the numbers, the bullet is perfectly stable out of the muzzle, but at distance, the bullet did not have enough stability into the transonic range, and would tumble. I have seen this with some 7 Rem Mag's and 300 Win Mag's running a very aggressive bullet for the slower twist rate of the barrel. (I'm running a 1:8" twist on my 7mm/300 WM with the 195 Berger bullets).

Here's some numbers to look at comparing the 7mm at 2990 fps and the .338" bullets. If you look at the drop and wind drift, the 7mm easily out performs the 338 Lapua with the 300 grain Hybrid. When you throw in the faster 338 Edge, and look at the data at 1800 yards, the 7mm is at 17.84 mils elevation and 2.94 mils wind. The 338 Edge is at 18.69 elevation and 2.8 mils drift in wind. That's .85 mils flatter shooting and only .15 mil more in wind drift!! All from a very cost effective 7mm out of a simple 300 WM case!! If you look at the 28 Nolser, you can gain about 80-100 fps. I know shooters running the 195 at 3080 fps, which is very fast. The 7mm 195 EOL is a true game changer bullet!

I know I left some stuff out, but ask any questions ans I'll try to answer them. When you start getting out past 1000 yards, and playing in the ultra long range (1400+ yards), everything becomes a factor.


7mm, 195 grain @ 2990
Range Velocity Energy Elev Wind
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (mil) (mil)
0 2990 3870.8 --- ---
100 2867.8 3560.9 0 0.11
200 2748 3269.5 -0.39 0.22
300 2630.6 2996.1 -0.95 0.33
400 2515.8 2740.3 -1.59 0.45
500 2403.7 2501.6 -2.28 0.58
600 2294.4 2279.4 -3.03 0.71
700 2188.1 2073 -3.83 0.85
800 2085 1882.3 -4.68 0.99
900 1984.8 1705.7 -5.6 1.14
1000 1886.9 1541.5 -6.58 1.3
1100 1791.2 1389.1 -7.64 1.47
1200 1697.7 1247.9 -8.78 1.64
1300 1606.5 1117.4 -10 1.83
1400 1517.7 997.3 -11.32 2.02
1500 1431.4 887.1 -12.76 2.23
1600 1347.6 786.3 -14.31 2.45
1700 1266.5 694.5 -16 2.69
1800 1188.2 611.3 -17.84 2.94
1900 1116.8 540 -19.86 3.21
2000 1066.9 492.8 -22.07 3.48
2100 1031.8 460.9 -24.49 3.76
2200 1006.6 438.7 -27.1 4.03

338, 300 @ 2650 (338 Lapua)
Range Velocity Energy Elev Wind
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (mil) (mil)
0 2650 4677.7 --- ---
100 2544 4310.8 0 0.12
200 2440.2 3966.3 -0.55 0.24
300 2338.8 3643.5 -1.28 0.36
400 2239.8 3341.7 -2.1 0.5
500 2143.4 3060.1 -2.98 0.63
600 2049.8 2798.8 -3.93 0.78
700 1958.4 2554.6 -4.94 0.93
800 1868.8 2326.2 -6.01 1.08
900 1781.1 2113 -7.16 1.25
1000 1695.3 1914.4 -8.4 1.42
1100 1611.5 1729.7 -9.72 1.6
1200 1529.6 1558.5 -11.13 1.79
1300 1449.9 1400.2 -12.65 1.99
1400 1372.3 1254.4 -14.29 2.2
1500 1296.9 1120.4 -16.06 2.43
1600 1223.9 997.7 -17.98 2.66
1700 1152.8 885.2 -20.05 2.92
1800 1095.8 799.8 -22.31 3.18
1900 1055.2 741.7 -24.77 3.45
2000 1025.7 700.8 -27.42 3.72
2100 1003.9 671.3 -30.26 3.98
2200 984.3 645.3 -33.3 4.23

338 @ 2850 (338 Edge)
Range Velocity Energy Elev Wind
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (mil) (mil)
0 2850 5410.4 --- ---
100 2740.1 5001 0 0.11
200 2632.2 4615.1 -0.44 0.21
300 2526.5 4252 -1.06 0.33
400 2423.2 3911.2 -1.76 0.44
500 2322.2 3592 -2.51 0.57
600 2223.6 3293.6 -3.32 0.69
700 2127.6 3015.3 -4.18 0.83
800 2034.5 2757.2 -5.1 0.97
900 1943.4 2515.7 -6.07 1.11
1000 1854.1 2289.9 -7.12 1.26
1100 1766.7 2079.2 -8.23 1.42
1200 1681.3 1882.9 -9.42 1.59
1300 1597.8 1700.5 -10.69 1.77
1400 1516.3 1531.5 -12.06 1.95
1500 1436.9 1375.3 -13.54 2.15
1600 1359.7 1231.5 -15.12 2.35
1700 1284.7 1099.4 -16.84 2.57
1800 1212.1 978.6 -18.69 2.8
1900 1141.9 868.6 -20.7 3.05
2000 1088.2 788.8 -22.89 3.31
2100 1049.8 734 -25.27 3.57
2200 1021.7 695.4 -27.84 3.83

Don't hang at that range, but remember hearing about 7mm practical. Suppose to be like 7mm-300 but better...

Something else to look at

Define "better"? I always ask this question when a loose term like "better" or "best" is used. A 7mm Practical is a 300 Win Mag case necked down to 7mm and the shoulder angle blown out to 30 degrees. You gain a little bit of powder capacity (about 2-4 grains), but at the cost of having to fire form the brass. You have to load 7mm-300 WM ammo, and go shoot the rifle to form the brass. After you have formed the brass, you then have to complete the load work up. You gain about 75-80 fps when you go to an Ackley 40 degree shoulder on most cartridges. When going to a 30 degree shoulder, you will gain less than that, so about 40-60 fps. Is 40-60 fps worth it at the cost of the expense and brass wear to fire form the cases? So, what makes it "better"? Yes, a 7 practical will run a little faster than a standard 7mm/300WM. But is it worth the cost of the extra firing and labor to gain the small increase in velocity? It's a cost vs. performance question. To me, it's not. But to some it may be. With the 28 Nosler now available, it would be a much better choice over the 7 Practical. I'm very impressed with the 28 Nosler. But I don't like the high brass cost of the 28 Nosler.

Great post above Chad. Lots of good info for someone like myself who knows nothing about anything related to that range. Fun to learn and see what goes into these types of decisions.

As it stands right now, if I need to shoot something 2,000 yards away, the first thing I'm doing is getting my truck keys so I can drive a mile closer to it.

Thanks Chad. I'm really liking the 28 Nosler too. The brass cost is high, but I'm sure I could get enough loads out of it to make it worth the initial expense. By the time the brass is worn out, I won't have any rifling left in the barrel anyway.

You bet, man! Call me if you want to discuss anything. I have been playing at the 1 mile mark for a few years with the 300 Win Mag and now the 7mm/300 WM. There are a few obstacles you need to make sure you can get over for good success.

They have the same amount of travel. I figure the ATACR is going to really drop the aftermarket price of The BEAST, with its tall turret, and funky .1 Mil flipper lever.

Chad,

take a look at Warner Tool's bullets. The bullets are all copper and have really made some nice improvements in bc in lighter bullets.

So velocity and bc both are increased compared to comparable Bergers or SMK's.

https://warner-tool.com/collections/flat-line-projectiles

I think the main consideration with this rifle and its potential will be controlled by Mother Nature.

I would like to be there the day you send the first rounds down range, sounds like quite the event. What caliber were the guys from Hill Country Rifles shooting when they made that 2 mile shot? was it 2 miles??

375 Cheytac with a Warner Tool bullet.

If cost is to stay minimal then the Berger is the way to go. Also G7 is higher on the bergers than the Warner

This.

Also if 7mm is tge route and a pure target rifle the new 197gr Sierra is bad to the bone with a .400g7.

Isn't worrying about $/rd kinda like driving a Ferrari and worrying about the cost of premium gas? Just how many rounds are you firing at 1 mile that it's going to break the bank?

I'd say no not to an extent. I've only done the mile thing a few times and it was with my match gun that went well transonic before but managed a 50% ratio on 8 shots. If I had packed more ammo I would have fired more. That being said I would gladly pay the same amount of money for 100 bullets than 50.

For 7mm, that is correct, but there is also an almost 50 grain difference in bullet weight. A 28 Nosler would be able to move the 198 well enough, the SAUM he mentioned not so much.

Guess it comes down to which case he is going to use to push the 7mm bullet.

One of the 30 cal magnums, the WM or RUM, with the 198 Warner Tool would be another economical option with a high bc, or as mentioned, the 338/300 RUM might be the best budget route into a 338.

Yes! The Sierra 197 grain would be a good one. The Sierra 197 comes pointed from the factory. The Berger does not. Berger's lists their G7 BC of .387 (which I think is a tad low). If you point the Berger the same as the Sierra, the Berger will gain about 3.5% to 4% in BC, which puts it over .400 G7, and about .402. I think the Sierra .400 G7 BC is a little elevated, also. I think it's realistically in the .395-.398 range. But we're splitting hairs at that point.

Ammo cost wise, about $1.80 each to about $3.90 each for a Lapua, and even more than that for a 338 Edge. So, over twice as expensive per round. Dollar bills, baby!

.400 is the ab/litz number on the sierra with the 195 berger at .380

Where can I find the Litz data on the 197 Sierra? I've looked and have not seen that. I'm running it from my calculations. Berger shows it to be a .387 G7. I'm running a .387 G7 on the Berger data, and I increased it to .391 to make my data work out to 1 mile. I think the .387 Berger lists is actually higher, and I think the Sierra data is a little elevated (like most of their other BC's are.)

My friends are both shooting Hornady 180 ELD Match out of 7 SAUMs and they're hitting 1800 yards with no problem. A 28 Nosler would do even better. That's probably what I'm gonna build.

If you need a 7mm, 1:8" twist Bartlein, let me know. I have 2 or 3 in stock right now. I ordered multiple barrels for these kinds of projects.

Pm sent

Sweet. I'll holler at you.

7mm WSM. It is a proven commodity at one mile.

Interesting, noodled some projections for the 7 RSAUM, made some educated guesses on velocity just slightly below 7 WSM speeds, tried to keep them realistic.

71 MOA at a mile with the .284 .350 G7 180 Berger VLD at 2850; borderline transonic depending on environmental conditions

60 MOA for the 151 Warner .284 .334 G7 @ 3100

52 MOA for the 256 Warner .338 .480 G7 @ 2900. 338 Lapua

60 MOA for the 197 SMK .284 .400 G7 @ 2900 (28 Nosler?)

I used to be able to run a mile in about 6 minutes. Whats the flight time for a bullet?

2.8+/- seconds or less depending on which bullet combo.

7 WSM

Have you tried to find ammo in the 7 WSM? It's near impossible to find brass. The only way to run a WSM is on a long action, which defeats the concept of a "short" mag. IMO, the very LAST round I would pick a any WSM caliber for 1K+ shooting.

The 197 Sierra shoots quite well from my 28 Nosler although have only played with it to 650 yards so far.
Was really impressed with last trip to range when the load had a ES of 3fps but only fired 4 rounds.
Plan to give this new load a try in the next match. I am running the 197 at 3060fps and that's not max as I have run up to 3220 but that's definitely on the HOT side and primer pockets will only go 2 reloads at those speeds.

Right.

I love the people the chime in, that have zero real world experience in this arena.

It's quite simple really. Load a big [censored] bullet, with a high BC, on top of lots of powder, to push it as fast as you can. Short action brass does not do that as well as very long pieces of big brass.

Take it easy on Buzz. A guy shooting a 7 WSM with 176 Cauterucios held the 1 mile 10 shot group record for awhile about 10 years ago, built on a Savage no less. So it is not crazy, but new brass is nowhere to be found in the last few years, which effectively eliminates it from consideration. The 7/300 WSM is the way to go to fill in for the 7 WSM if one wanted to go that route.

DStoud, how long is your barrel? Those numbers are impressive. 3200 with the 197 is surprisingly fast, at least to me. What is the COAL and twist rate?

The 28 Nosler looks like a great round. With your 3060, that is 53 MOA at 1760, which closely matches the 338 Lapua with the Warner 256 at 2900. Brass appears to cost the same, which is a bit surprising.

It's a 28 inch 1/8 twist Benchmark barrel and is throated long for the 195's.
The load started out at 3160 but kept getting faster as the barrel broke in and with warmer temps. That was with 195's / R33 and after getting some 197gr I decided just for information to try N570 and it shot so well decided to run it for a while.

Another great time that good things just come together... Three hoorahs

Holla Jeff, im pretty sure the day i met you i was shooting 180 bergers out of my wissm and you were running the 176's. To the subject ill always have a soft spot for 7 short mags but no viable option for 7 wsm brass takes that out of the consideration. And hell if a suam is an option ill make you a smoking deal on ome i dont shoot anymore on a stiller action. That being said, its not even close to playing at a mile+ like a 7-300 28 or one of the big bores. Ive owned 338 lapua, and can build anything i want and after a couple years of mulling it over and crunching #'s i got with kiff and designed the reamer for the 7-300 to be as simple as possible to launch a 195 at roughly 3k give or take. Its a simple neck down load and shoot. Screw fire forming and changing shoulder angles while eroding your throat, i simply dont have the time and budget to justify all that. I wanted the least amount of effort to cost effectively build a 2000 yard rifle. You can run bigger rounds or over bore rounds and gain a slight advantage but its at barrel life, brass cost, and ease of shooting exspensice. Kind of the kiss principle. Theres a dozen or more diff ways to do what you want to do, you just have to decide how much effort its worth. And what kind of life you expect to get out of your barrel. I may be the only rifle builder alive trying to save people money and barrel/ gunsmith cost, but I dont do it because im trying to make a living at it, i do it because i love to do it. Oh and forget that hill country rifle 2000 yard crap, that was a joke. All day long launching rounds to finaly get a solid hit as the light of evening fades was the definition of spray and pray. I would have been embarrassed to show that.

Here is how you make 7mm WSM brass I make it out of 270 WSM which is plentiful then I fire forming it to my gun and so I have new brass. My second question is thousand-yard to 2000 yard ranges are like hens teeth build a gun you must shoot it!
Where will you shoot it?

No.

He deserves everything he gets.

quit being a Richard you richard

I told you in that PM, don't dish it out if you can't take it.

The 7 WSM isn't that bad, if it's built on a long action and throated long. But they can be a little finicky. Most WSM rounds can be difficult to dial in on a hunting rifle.

I spoke with someone who has been shooting a .28 Nosler for a while and felt like the barrel life is around 800 rounds. Does that sound right?

Yes, that's about right.

You are right, especially about brass availability. A good, long, fat case is needed, I will leave it to all the experts. You know me, always keeping things lively with meaningless posts

I agree with a good long fat case.
I I would suggest a 7mm x378 or a 30x378 Weatherby which will meet that criteria.
There are a lot of large capacity parent cases the main thing is getting maximum powder capacity for the actions you use.
I have to 7mm WSM 1 hunting rifle and a heavy barrel and even though they're accurate guns you don't have enough velocity or muzzle energy to do any good and you would have a very big drop with that weapon.

It is hard to find a place to shoot a mile for sure. I attempted twice on different pieces of property and could only get about 1500 yards but then while dove hunting last season I found a stretch of ranch road on a friend's ranch that was perfect. Used a Sig 2000 RF along with gps mapping app to verify it was a mile.
One trick I learned that day was to slowly drive a vehicle down where the target will be placed with a license plate facing the RF as it was easy to get a solid reading off of due to reflectivity.

Here is my shot and I also have video but at a mile not much to see.
Not sure you can see in the picture but I dialed too much wind and in the dirt (scuffed mark)you can see the first shot missed just outside the right leg and the second went between the leg and the plate and then hit on the 3rd round.

Impressive Very nice shooting right there.

DSTROUD, the real deal!!! Awesome set up. Great shooting

That's badass, David! We're shooting at a range around Fort Worth. The guy has a lane for 2000 yards if you ain't skeered. Text me and I'll line you up on it.

Sweet! Here's a video of us shooting the 1 mile tower at the old NTRP range. Rifle is a custom 300 RUM shooting the Hornady 225 BTHP about 3150 fps. The shooter is Eddie Belfour, the previous Dallas Stars goalie. The wind was picking up and letting down, so I was calling the wind holds for the shooter.



If you go to YouTube link below, it will pull up a lot of the 1 mile videos from that match.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chadtrg42

David that is really great shooting.

Trying to get to a mile with a DIY savage 28 nosler. Standard throat. 1100 yards is my max range until ready. I need to add the 20 MOA.

195 EOL 3012 fps 56 MOA Transonic at 1750 yrds

180 eld-m 3092 fps. 50 MOA. Transonic at 1825 yards

Cool. I am one of the "Friends" that has been shooting out there. I have shared the video here of my first time there, but will post again below.

As far as bullets go, I am not sure whose drag model to believe. The 180 Berger Hybrids that my rifle was custom chambered for seemed to fall apart past 1600 yards. The 180 ELD-M that I had never shot before that day seemed to out-do the hybrids, at least in the BC category. I was skeptical for sure, but the proof is there.

My rifle is a custom, built by Paul McCoy. It wears a 28" Bartelin MTU profile barrel with 1-8 twist. The bbl was chambered for 7 SAUM and was built around the 180 Hybrid bullet seated just to the shoulder. My normal "easy shooting" loads consist of Norma 300 SAUM brass necked to 7mm, BR2 primer, and 63.0 grains of H-1000 for 3000fps. I have run the same bullet to 3200 with no pressure signs, but keep it as low as possible because barrel life.

The first time I went out to Triple C I had brought my normal loads as well as the unknown, "loaded the night before with a new to me powder and no load development". I initially just wanted to see what they would do on paper at 100 and get some chrono numbers. My very first shot with them was at 1000 yards. First round hit. On the below video. Subsequently, the 2-6th rounds were at 1800 yards with a 5th round hit.

By blind luck, these loads loaded with 65.5 grains of Retumbo and the 180 ELD-M duplicated my H-1000 loads with Berger Hybrids. 3000 Fps on the money. In order to get out to a mile, I used Strelock with all the same environmentals as my Hybrids, just plugged in a G1 of .801. It called for 15.5 Mils elevation. I ended up at 15.6 when the steel rang.

We went back out there week before last and shot it again. The weather was 20 degrees cooler, and my dope was 16.2 to make the same shot with the same bullet. My friend was shooting his straight .284 with the same bullet at 2960, just on the heels of my 7 SAUM with 8 grains less powder. He didnt attempt 1800, but did smack steel at 1400 and 1500 before he ran out of ammo.

I did have the pleasure of shooting next to George Banke and his suppressed 338 Lapua. He even nominated me his spotter while we were there. lol He called my hits at 1800, although I did not attempt 1900 that day.

This is the Video from the first trip. You can skip to 5 minute mark if you arent interested in seeing the drone footage of the range.

What range is this?

I'm wondering if it's Cawthon Cartridge Club....

http://www.triplectacticaltraining.com/index.html

Looks like a really cool range.

I have always wondered...Is it fun to shoot at 1 mile? I mean I often shoot at 1000Y and it's pretty fun, but never at those extreme ranges.

1 mile Challenge in the future? my 6.5 weatherby might make it on a morning like today.

Buddy of mine got it on shot number 14 with a 6.5 creedmoor. Dont think you will have a problem with the same bullet running 500 fps faster.

300 otm's out of the 338 norma - it's budget friendly.