Now you're talking.

Same as me with rifles. I don't have a stack of mediocre rifles, I've got a few really great ones. And with great scopes it is easy to run one scope per two rifles.

Then buy an SS 5-20X HD.

I've had the same one for 5 years. It's shot, or fired +/-10,000 rounds, on my rifles, and loaned out. It has never been sent in! Looks beat to hell with anodizing missing, scratches, and turret labels that are stained, and it's still working perfect
It is an old friend I call "ole reliable".

After having high end glass and being able to cut mirage when most others can't I doubt I can go back.

You can't.

I use the focus knob a whole lot, to see mirage. This new ATACR has made me have to lose a habit, which is constantly adjusting focus for distance. It can be clear at 200 yards, and be clear all the way to 600, on the same setting. When I want to see mirage, I've got to great a large error on the focus knob in order to make mirage appear. Good problem to have, though.

At the entire okie match sunday I think I touched my parallax twice with targets from 300-1060.

Well with all this name dropping like s&b vortex and all the other ones how come the leupold vx5hd and vx6hd aren't listed? I guess I should've started out that this is going on a Remington 700 ss 5r 308 and I want to shoot deer as far as the caliber will allow me if needed and I want to shoot some long distance just for fun not competitively. I say $1000 cause I plan on dropping $200-300 on mounts and rings. I just like leupold but I'm not brand loyal just like the luck I've had with them and keep going back

Dang, somebody here actually competes ...HUMMMMMMM

That makes it really nice

What reticle and turrets do those Leupolds have?

Turrets are the CDS ZL2 and I haven't narrowed down which reticle I'm going with on this one but I've got the windplex in a Vx3i and Had the varmint reticle

Only MOA options. For around the same money (1700-1900) as a vx6hd you can find a Mark6 and get mil and a 34mm tube. I believe vx5hd come in under 1k but not familiar with the differences and why so much different

Only leupy I'd entertain with long range and dialing involved would be a mk8 and that wiuld likely be a tubb reticle equipped.

If I were to do some long range competition then yes I'd be looking at the mark series but it's going on a deer hunting rifle and varmint rifle that I'd like to be able to play around for fun and shoot targets out past 500 yards

I'd be concerned dialing with a hunting optic from a company with a sketchy at best track record.

Well I haven't done much research on how good/bad the turrets work all I can say is the 2 I've had worked good for what I did with them. My list of wants and needs don't really see eye to eye. I've really came down to I know I want something that is very good in low light situations and I want something that's simple to use and not going to be frustrating. Other than that atleast 30mm tube 50mm obj and atleast a 15x. That's really what I've narrowed it down to and I was think with the $1000 price mark the vx5hd would fit the bill. With that being said I'm not a scope guru I've had my fair share of them but I don't know the latest and greatest of what's out there

I posted an answer back? They have the CDS ZL2 turrets and I haven't narrowed down a reticle yet

Nightforce SHV 5-20 second focal plane might be a good one for you or
Nightforce SHV F1 4-14 first focal plane. Both around 1k

Chances are if you're only going to dial and shoot long range on occasion it'll be fine. Dialing and leupold don't really have a great track record.

So that's Custom Dial System?
I have no idea what a ZL2 is.

To your previous question as to why Leupold isn't in the game. They're over priced, less reliable, and with worse features than the others we've talked about.

The CDS (custom dial system) is built by leupold off the gun and ammo you shoot. It's a automatic BDC basically. The zL1 allows you to make a full revolution out to 700-800 yards then it goes back to zero and locks when you get there so you know it's back to zero. The ZL2 allows you to go out to 1400-1600 yards and make two revolutions on the turret and won't lock until your back at your zero.

I've been shooting and hunting VX6's for almost 3 years now, CDS and all. I will admit I am more of a casual turret twister, but mine have been dead nuts reliable during this time, and they have the most user friendly eyebox of any variable scope on the planet, and I've gotten behind loads of different ones. Especially at higher mags.

I will say that if I spun the dials multiple times per day, I'd go the SWFA or NF route, depending on how much I wanted to spend.

I find this Jap vs German scope/glass thing entertaining to say the least. There are Schott glass facilities in China, Japan, and many other countries. They are also not the only ones who know how to make premium glass. All you have to do is peek through a Kowa Prominar or Nikon EDG spotter and see for yourself. Nikon also makes the finest camera lenses on the planet, and have for many years. To say that Euro glass is much superior to Jap glass is a huge stretch, especially nowadays.

I know what the CDS is. It's a dumbed down 1/4 MOA, with different labels.

Here's the trouble with it. In order to get dials perfect, MV and BC has to be exact. What chronograph did you use to report to Leupold? Is it accurate?

What BC did did you report? Did the bullet manufacturer give accurate data?

What environmental conditions did you set the turret up for? Is that the only environmental conditions you will ever shoot it? If it is not, then the dials will be wrong, beyond 500 yards, very often.

With a Mil or MOA based turret the end user can adjust as needed, based on the environmental conditions at the time of the shot.

And by the way, gravity is the easy part, wind is the trick. That's where the proper reticle comes into play, and for wind holds, Mil is far and away easier to deal with.

I just bumped a thread showing an alternative.

I got behind David Tubb kowa at a match and wasn't overly blown away. Keep in mind he runs like a fixed 27x long eye relief eye piece. Swaro spotters and slc binos best pretty much anything I've been behind. The army amu nikon image stabilization binos were pretty nice but my understanding was not overly available but I've not looked.

Rifle scopes are something completely different and the euro dominte still if you get behind them. Some jap scopes are there too but a majority aren't. I'll agree schott isn't end all be all but theres a good chance it'll be tough to find problems if in a quality product.