You're comparing a long action to a short action. This is a thread about three common short action cartridges.

JTPin TX did compare a 270win(LA) but the 270-08 is NOT a long action. 308 case with a 277 bullet in it. As I said before, with the new powders we can handload a 270-08 up to factory 270win velocity.
There are a lot of people out there that like 277 bullets to hunt with. I would rather use them than 6.5s when hunting.

No one is telling you to stop. Where can one buy 270-08 off the shelf?

6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08, and .308 is available everywhere.

I've said it before, and I'll go on record saying it again, the 7mm-08 is the most versatile, and capable short action cartridge, for medium game, in existence. I've got one, and am going to have another before the year is through.

What about 338LM, 50BMG, and 20mm Vulcan?

^^Right

Why would you ditch a .284 bullet for a .277, while making it harder to get ammo for?

^^Right again.

they make a 50 BMG in a short action?

The key is to learn what combo works for the hunter and then practice out to the distances that will be used in the field and then stick to those limits.

Making a shot out hunting often involves a suboptimal shooting position, being cold, tired, fatigued, maybe wearing clothes for cold weather which are different than what is used at the range, ammo will have lost some velocity compared to warm weather and thus the zero will shift a bit, and winds are different in the field than on the home range. There are lots of things that can go wrong.

A reliable cold bore shot is everything. The importance of an accurate, well placed cold bore shot is why people posting targets with small groups that are far away from the bullseye are failing to recognize they do not have a good target. My wife deserves credit for waking me up to that problem. I was showing her some tiny groups on 500 yard targets, she innocently said, "you missed the bullseye, that is no good." And she was right. A big group covering the bullseye is far better than a tiny group well off the bullseye for hunting purposes.

Here is a great target for practice at 100 yards. Try to master this target at 100 without using lead sleds or benchrest mechanical setups. If the hunting rifle is too painful to use in practice, that might be a clue to drop down to a rifle that can be used for practice. Then stick to that same setup for hunting. Power is worthless without placement. Reliable placement comes from practice and there are no shortcuts. The importance of practice cannot be overemphasized. A good saying from the music world is: "amateurs practice until they can do it right. Pros practice until they cannot do it wrong." There is an enormous gap between those two points in shooting.

http://www.mytargets.com/target22%20circles%20x20.pdf

FJG,

I've owned a 7-08, still have and use a 260, but a 308 Win is hard to beat for a do everything round for hunting. There are no flies on the 7-08, but it does not have anywhere near the ammo options available for a 308 and now the 260/6.5 CM are eclipsing it for factory ammo options as well. Taking nothing away from it though, it is a wonderful round, especially for a handloader.

Jeff, I've always assumed that the folks posting their little bitty groups have sense enough to adjust their scopes and/or holds to achieve accuracy as well as precision.

Am I missing something?

(Now, whether those itty bitty groups are 1)at the actual ranges stated and/or are 2)repeatable are separate questions. There's obviously a lot of "group/accuracy" on every shooting/hunting forum. You learn to know it when you see it. )

Well stated, Jeff.

That's why my daily training, on my range, is a cold bore shot at distance. No zero check, no warm up. Dial it or hold it, judge the wind, and send one. I hit more times than I miss. But when I miss, I learn from it. A quick follow-up comes from good form. I don't always do this prone, I often do it from field positions.

I did mention in the OP, the 7-08 shines for the hand loader, and the .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor does a great job, with lots of options, for the non hand loader.

They are not holding themselves to really practicing making well placed shots.

The rifle, scope, and ammo combined with the shooter need to be proven to be able to make accurate shots reliably.

Small groups can help with accurate placement, but are not a substitute for actually practicing hitting the bullseye.

Try practicing really making accurate hits on the target consistently and reliably. It can be way more challenging than it seems.

Thank you FJG.

That pretty much sums up what I'm teaching, and what we practice at my range. I'm far more impressed with a hit on a 5" plate, at 500 yards, that a five shot group at 100 yards. Especially a cold bore shot, that's the hunting shot.

In your particular rifle, of course. Doesn't make it a consensus though

A hearty Amen from the back row!

Well, I admittedly don't "practice" shooting, but when I do shoot it's all about putting the bullet in the spot I want it to be.

Here's a typical "minute of Clay" off the pack result:



I'm sure I could tighten that up a bit with more stability (which I do when sighting in). And every once in a while I could post an eye-popping group or two if I wanted. But that wouldn't mean I'm a dead-eye by any stretch.

Great example of a great target NP.

Well done.

Because I've killed more deer and elk with a 270 than any other cartridge and now I can do it in a short action 700 or AR10. I haven't purchased hunting ammo in 30+ years so screwing a die in a press takes the same amount of time regardless of the caliber. I have several 5 gal buckets full of 308 brass. Speed kills, I like 130gr bullets @3000fps or 150s at 2850.
I still have a 243 30*AI and 6.5-08 40*AI from my long range days but I haven't shot much paper in the last 10 years. Never really liked 6.5s for hunting.
Wildcats aren't for everyone I understand that. Seems most on this forum love 6.5s and try to shoot game at 1000yds so I'll leave it alone.

No, it's not consensus, but it is very common. More common than not. When you can go shoot a big rifle match, and most everyone is making a 260 and a 6.5 Creedmoor push a 140 gr at 2800, I'd say they're fairly predictable cartridges, which is one of the great things about them. Same hold true for the 6.5X47, most guys are running about the same speed, and most are getting extremely low ES, and SD. Predictability absolutely exists in the smaller brother to the other two 6.5mm chamberings.

That's completely untrue.

I really wish, way back when I had that 270 built for my son, I had known more about bullets and ballistics. I wish, I could have predicted how that rifle would ultimately be used. It dang sure wouldn't have been a 270 if that were the case. The donor action was given to him and I was stuck with a LA. A 280 or 280 AI is what I really, really wish I would have built for him instead. Hindsight is 20/20 though and we will work with what he has.

At this point in life no way would I intentionally handicap myself with .277 caliber bullets. Or 25 cal bullets for that matter, even though I have a 25-06 as well and do like it.

It seems like you're trying to prove it to yourself that the 27o-08 is the way to go. Thread is not about that. And by the way, a 270 win also benefits from new powders and will out run a 270-08.

Not quiet, I've been hunting deer and hogs since the mid 70s, I received my gunsmith cert around 1981, been an engineer for over 25 years and for the last 10 I have owned my own company that manufactures firearm parts. I made my choice of what I wanted to hunt with long before the internet existed. Sometimes I waste time reading on gun forums. I don't really think I need to prove it to myself or anyone else. I asked what people here thought about a 270-08, my mistake. What I see is a lot of young kids getting hung up on high BCs when in reality BCs don't mean much at the ranges most people take game. I've never needed a bullet with a BC of .600 to take game at 300-400 or even 500yds but I can't tell you all the topics I've read where guys shooting hogs in the dark with thermal argue about whether they should use a 123gr SST or a 123gr Lapua because the Lapua has a higher BC and they need that to shoot hogs at 75yards. In the 70s we took hunter education classes in jr high, a big part of those classes were about being an ethical hunter. I chose hunting bullets by the terminal performance not the BC. -unsubscribing

I agree bc to 300 yards is not a big deal. You're right too many people get hung up on bc for short ranges. Past 300 it matters​. At those ranges I try to stack the deck in my favor. Choosing a bullet at the ranges in this thread requires both bc and terminal performance to be ethical. 270-08 was not part of the original post because few people on here play with wildcats.

Another problem is expecting to find a bullet that performs the same on big game animals at 400+ yd impacts as it does at a 50 yd impact.