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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Grizz]
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02/19/17 03:28 AM
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Mr. T.
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I've been hunting a little over 60 years, and I always say the same two words on every one brought into camp.."nice deer."
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Mr. T.]
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02/19/17 03:36 AM
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I've been hunting a little over 60 years, and I always say the same two words on every one brought into camp.."nice deer." That's 'cause your folks raised a gentleman.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Texas Dan]
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02/19/17 07:57 AM
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txshntr
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The problem could be quickly and easily dispatched by creating a single season that allows hunters to use their tool of choice. There is no debate that the division started when wildlife agencies followed the guidance of equipment manufacturers looking to create and expand their sales markets by creating seasons based on techniques. Our ancestors would call the current state of the values we have as nothing short of disgusting. Oh good grief. So bow season and muzzle loader season caused the issues we have today with people wanting trophies and discussions that follow...okay Our ancestors hunted for meat and necessity of the animal including the bones, hide, and had a use for every part. Plus, they didn't have the internet to share or argue about their beliefs and conquest. You're like a drunk in denial. The uproar within the bow hunting community at the first mention of allowing crossbows is undeniable evidence of the division I noted earlier. But that's okay. Like the drunk, everyone else knows better. Well, I stand corrected. I wouldn't have realized it if you hadn't had provided such a clear and precise argument with ample evidence to back it up. Even though it is the same thing you blame almost everything in the hunting world that you don't like, seems to be a fit all for you You made one point (bowhunting) to address all the issues listed in the OP, or you just picked out that point because it is the one that gets under your skin more than the others. I am sure there is some illuminating story as to what you have against the different seasons. Funny you mention the bowhunters having an issue with crossbows, but you don't mention the rifle hunters having an issue with bow season. I have seen more complaints about the bowhunters getting first shot at the deer than I have seen bow hunters complain about crossbows. As far as division in hunting, I believe this is one of the least prevelant issues according to threads on this forum. That would be HF/LF, .223, and whether you got to the lease in a ford or Chevy. But hey, your right, I'm the drunk in denial. If they changed it to a single season, any weapon, I am sure all the other issues would just go away. No one would care of it was a bow or rifle, no one would care the score, no one would care if it was HF, no would care if you had it on camera...heck, I bet no one would even use a camera anymore. Single season would take us back to the good ol days and make our ancestors proud!!!
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Creekrunner]
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02/19/17 07:59 AM
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txshntr
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I've been hunting a little over 60 years, and I always say the same two words on every one brought into camp.."nice deer." That's 'cause your folks raised a gentleman. Guess I wasn't, after I tell them nice deer...I love to hear the story!!
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Texas Dan]
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02/19/17 01:48 PM
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The problem could be quickly and easily dispatched by creating a single season that allows hunters to use their tool of choice. There is no debate that the division started when wildlife agencies followed the guidance of equipment manufacturers looking to create and expand their sales markets by creating seasons based on techniques. Our ancestors would call the current state of the values we have as nothing short of disgusting. Lordy, you attempt to shoehorn that misguided grievance into every discussion. Another in denial. First, what txshntr said. Second, you are just plain wrong about your assertion that equipment manufacturers had anything to do with a separate bow season. That happened long ago as a result of ordinary rank and file bowhunters who worked hard and made the case for responsible bowhunting as an ethical endeavor with added challenge. The equipment used back then was overwhelmingly primitive in nature (recurves and longbows) and the manufacturers weren't the lobbying machines they are today. The early archery season did not take one day away from the rifle hunting season, and still doesn't. There was no division among hunters concerning its creation and there was none for decades after its creation. (Your assertion of manufacturer influence is largely correct with regard to the allowance of crossbows during archery season, which is a relatively recent occurence. But that had nothing to do with creating the archery season that had been in place a long, long time at that point.) The separate seasons for archery and gun use have not been topics of division amongst hunters in any way, shape, or form - until guys like you came along who don't choose to accept the added challenge of bowhunting began whining and wanting something others have who do accept those challenges (the separate season). That's where the division came in. For a guy who is obsessed in touting your "old school" methodology (no feeders, no blinds, public land, etc., etc., etc.), your utter disdain for those who challenge themselves to get up close and personal by bowhunting is as perplexing as it is misguided.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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02/19/17 02:17 PM
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One of the saddest things I have ever seen is a buddy shoot a deer he was tickled and excited about to no end, "score" it, and immediately become disappointed because the number wasn't as high as he thought it would be. Agreed. I have never learned how to 'score' a deer, and have no desire to now. It is not relevant to my objectives and is demeaning to the spiritual aspects of hunting.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Mr. T.]
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02/19/17 03:22 PM
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Sniper John
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I've been hunting a little over 60 years, and I always say the same two words on every one brought into camp.."nice deer." I do the same. I was a guest of an old friend on a hill country lease several years ago. His brother was also a guest hunter that weekend and the guest brother had never taken a deer before. This was a typical small over hunted hill country lease with small bodied deer. No guest rules and not managed for deer size. On the last day of the trip the brother had still not taken a deer. I offered a plan of me using a grunt call and rattling horns placing one of the two brothers ahead of me out to my right and the other ahead of me out to my left. I had them move across the lease with me this way stopping every several hundred yards while I rattled. The brother that had never hunted before. A small 8 point buck about run him over trying to get to me and he shot it. When I got to him he was one of the happiest men I have ever seen. Everything worked as planned and for him it had been an exciting hunt. I congratulated and gave a couple high fives,. When the other brother came over he went right into judging it as a basket rack and how he would not have shot it and why his brother should not have shot it. Worst buzz kill I have ever witnessed.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Grizz]
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02/19/17 03:51 PM
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Dang SJ, that's tough to hear. Very sad.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Grizz]
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02/19/17 11:35 PM
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From 1923:
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Grizz]
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02/20/17 03:01 AM
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I think social media, hunting shows and technology like trail cams has spoiled us with a constant flow of numerous nice bucks. And then you have management practices that were non existent 20 years ago on a broad scale like today.
I really don't like bucks being judged on a B&C score that a club came up with. If you like him, you should kill him.
But not if the rules where you hunt say otherwise. There are leases that allow you to shoot any buck you like if that's what makes you happy.
I don't like hunters that disparage another hunters kill. Bad form IMO. Especially a first time hunter excited from their success.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Creekrunner]
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02/20/17 03:02 AM
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chalet
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Good one. My favorite from Gene Hill's A Hunters Fireside Book"There is no score worth keeping. All we should ever count is hours, never birds, nor length of horn or hits or misses. If we want to do something where we can't lose, then we must first accept the proposition that we cannot win. We are not involved in a contest, but a very simple and pure journey that promises each day out will be different, unrepeatable, unrecapturable....." From 1923:
Shoot. Eat. Repeat.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Creekrunner]
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02/20/17 04:04 AM
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Palehorse
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From 1923: That looks like a very interesting book. I just ordered a copy on Amazon. Can't wait to read it! Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: chalet]
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02/20/17 04:53 AM
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We are not involved in a contest, but a very simple and pure journey that promises each day out will be different, unrepeatable, unrecapturable. Journey? What journey is there in stting in the same old office chair in the same box stand waiting for something to show up and eat?
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Texas Dan]
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02/20/17 07:49 AM
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kry226
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We are not involved in a contest, but a very simple and pure journey that promises each day out will be different, unrepeatable, unrecapturable. Journey? What journey is there in stting in the same old office chair in the same box stand waiting for something to show up and eat?
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Grizz]
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02/20/17 07:56 AM
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Hunt and Fish, you are correct sir. My freezer almost always gets filled with "doe meat" before buck meat. I bow hunt and gun hunt(also have a crossbow) and I am an opportunist at heart. If a big doe comes in, I may watch her for a while hoping ol' big will show up but chances are, she won't get to leave. Of course I want a big buck! Been that way since I started hunting as a child and the prospect of that is thrilling to me even at 51 years of age. But, a buck isn't the deciding factor on rather or not I have had a successful season. A freezer full of sausage and deer steaks is. Hunting is as much a part of me as my hands or feet. And I am proud of that fact. I think that for those hunters who "have" to get the big one to be successful, its truly sad. Not saying that to start an argument! Its just the way I feel.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Grizz]
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02/20/17 11:52 AM
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I hunt for my peace and reflection. I've yet to take a tape on a buck as it has nothing to do with sausage. Making sausage and firing up my smokehouse is second on my list. I do love how many "Age & Score" topics and picks are posted. However, I realize many are new to hunting and all they know is what the read on the internet, and that doesn't make them wrong. When I see a deer when hunting, I see the poster you see at the butcher shop showing the different cuts of meat, and from there I try to total up how many links of sausage I will get. But that's my hot button, while others are about mass and tines.
I Feed Indian Corn. The deer love it and all the colors make them stay at the feeder longer.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Texas Dan]
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02/20/17 12:14 PM
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And now...the thought for the day: We are not involved in a contest, but a very simple and pure journey that promises each day out will be different, unrepeatable, unrecapturable. Journey? What journey is there in stting in the same old office chair in the same box stand waiting for something to show up and eat? “All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.” Blaise Pascal, Pensées
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Texas Dan]
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02/20/17 04:04 PM
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chalet
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We are not involved in a contest, but a very simple and pure journey that promises each day out will be different, unrepeatable, unrecapturable. Journey? What journey is there in stting in the same old office chair in the same box stand waiting for something to show up and eat? You missed the point.
Shoot. Eat. Repeat.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
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02/20/17 04:13 PM
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Yeah, I think that is spot on. Been wondering when exactly we started hunting to impress others instead of satisfying ourselves. Age and score is talked about to much I think. If it makes you happy, then take him. If your neighbor is mad because he isn't 5 1/2 or at least 150, tell him where to stick it. I miss the way it was. And for those who don't mind going 4 or 5 years without pulling the trigger because the right one hasn't showed up, I hope I never get there. I love hunting and eating deer and would rather take a 110" to 120" buck each year than to have to wait every 5 years to take "one". JMO of course. I may never kill a 150", but it doesn't mean I'm having less fun. "Fun"! Isn't that what its supposed to be about? I have hunted deer for over 20 years. Nothing I do in hunting is because of what others want or think. Even our biggest deer are of little size to most people. For me and mine it is something we do and enjoy together. We no longer get our kicks shooting 2-3 year old 8 pts. Sure I still get a rush just shooting does and spikes, but I'm willing to let the nicer young ones walk because of what they can be. Anyone who disagrees but will shoot a bigger buck over a smaller one is lying to themselves. We have fun watching the deer grow seeing what they become from one year to the next and if you pay close attention there is a lot more out there to learn than you may have thought.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
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02/20/17 04:16 PM
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We are not involved in a contest, but a very simple and pure journey that promises each day out will be different, unrepeatable, unrecapturable. Journey? What journey is there in stting in the same old office chair in the same box stand waiting for something to show up and eat? That's bbbaaaaaaaaddddddd aaaazzzzzzzzzz......
I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: chalet]
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02/20/17 04:38 PM
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We are not involved in a contest, but a very simple and pure journey that promises each day out will be different, unrepeatable, unrecapturable. Journey? What journey is there in stting in the same old office chair in the same box stand waiting for something to show up and eat? You missed the point. Happens a lot.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: Grizz]
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02/20/17 05:19 PM
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I've learned more about living life and God in a deer blind in an old office chair than by getting preached at. And like it or not, life is a journey. So, X2 to what chalet said.
There's more to hunting than antlers, scores, Jawbones, maturity, and even freezers full of venison. Those are all icing on the cake that is the ultimate outdoor experience, whether from a Texas safari rig, elk drop camp, or deer blind.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
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02/20/17 05:23 PM
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What may I ask did you learn about God in a deer stand?
I always classify the people who say they don't go to church because they feel closer to God in the outdoors hunting/fishing on sunday mornings hipocrites or lazy.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: redchevy]
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02/20/17 05:40 PM
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What may I ask did you learn about God in a deer stand?
I always classify the people who say they don't go to church because they feel closer to God in the outdoors hunting/fishing on sunday mornings hipocrites or lazy. Well, I think your generalization is, unfortunately, largely correct. I heard a man say that to a pastor I admired once. His reply: "I know you can worship Him in the deer stand and on the lake but the real question is: do you?" That said, sometimes I hunt on Sundays. I try to worship and talk to Him then, and other days. But I ain't perfect at it by any means. The outdoors does seem to often draw me closer to Him though. And that is scriptural (Romans).
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Definitely Some Truth To This
[Re: redchevy]
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02/20/17 05:41 PM
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What may I ask did you learn about God in a deer stand?
I always classify the people who say they don't go to church because they feel closer to God in the outdoors hunting/fishing on sunday mornings hipocrites or lazy. I don't always choose the deer blind over Sunday morning church. It's Sunday morning NFL those other times
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