If they are just as dead how does the '06 have more "killing power" cant be deader than dead.

First not a personal fan of the 30-06 that's neither here nor there though.

I'm still talking about 5lb sledge vs tack hammer...the analogy I used was why will a 22-250 go through plate and 30-06 won't... it goes back to distributed force over an larger area

The sledge force is displaced over a larger surface just like when 30-06cal bullet hits plate compared to 22 -250 hitting plate.

Again it's about the misleading concept of tossing stuff on the wall type analogy and see if it sticks.... it obviously stuck with you but not physics...but then again that's exactly why he tossed it up there...doesn't have to be true just has to paint a mental picture of it being true, to get votes in his interest

30-06 vs 223...some like two holes, some want bullet to not retain anything after hitting vitals... no wrong no right. Both dead if in vitals.....both dead if hit in the guts... both alive if hit in void area...end result is same, that's personal preference

Yep

Yall sold me on the 223, i'll be taking it on a water buffalo hunt... Man I hope it kills him fast... I mean id hate to die and id hate it to suffer from the pin hole my ole trusty 223 put in his lung.. But who cares if it takes longer to die and an animal suffers??? Like yall said, dead is dead right??

He would probably die faster with the 223 in the lung than a 300 in the belly.

Alright now....lets not bad mouth the 'stick and string...or rocks'!

They work for me just fine.












And we're (some of us) arguing about modern firearm cartridges?

Don't believe I said anything about shooting anything in the belly.. .223 in the vitals and a 300 in the vitals.. Which has better killing, stopping power?

Very cool!

Those are Sweet!

I'm not arguing

I just refuse to accept the Chest Thumping Elitist

Ear hole him. Just don't hit him in the boss.

Caliber choice is about what gets you to the vitals....

If you can't get to the vitals on a sub 200lb avg texas whitetails with a 223 then get closer or pick another caliber...can't get to it with a 300 get closer or pick another caliber.

Stopping power means breaking spine or brain function


Don't bow hunt much?

I do bow hunt. A 2.3" gash through the lungs is more proficient than a pin hole through the lungs. But what do I know. Dead is dead

2.3 inch gash probably spills more blood on the ground, but a hole is a hole when its in your lungs or heart. Everything I have shot with a 223 has more than a pin hole in it as well. The bullets expand like any other just with many you never see the exit because a lot of the bullets wont penetrate that much. Several bullets are available that will give you through and through penetration with a 223 as often as a cup and core bullet on many larger calibers.

I hunt with a .223. Shot placement is everything.

But will it kill a Cape Buffalo? This thread isn't about whitetail anymore.

I once killed a 4' chicken snake with my daughters trusty pink Daisey shooting a 5.1 grain bb at 87 fps, he was over 6 yards. No blood trail but I saw him fall and he was DRT! This is relevant right?

Holly shirt Batman this thread is going to the _ _ gs.

Yea about 13 pages ago! Like a bad train wreck, I can't quit looking!

And I use a 1" cut fixed. So I guess all my animals aren't dead on my wall.. but your right dead isn't dead... by your longer to die thought you shouldn't bow hunt...

Speaking of pin holes what's your arrow OD?

Can you kill a deer with a .223 on a high fenced ranch and not feel dirty?

No doubt

Probably bought as quick as a guide can pack you up a mountain, get you within 150 yards of a Target and say..

Shoot that one


They sell Irish Spring in the Soap Aisle...If that won't work, try Ajax.

IBTLTPNP

Favorite Target for .223


The Whistle

From the lunch table(after I corned all way to camp) in a HF in Mexico while eating my rare version backstrap(killed with my tough country bumper) fillets with a side of cheese potatos and an ice tea...no

I might feel dirty if I shot it from the outhouse...maybe