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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6552269 11/21/16 02:57 AM
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I like copper due to the lack of massive damage I have seen with other bullets. I might shoot a blackbuck doe one week and shoot a cow elk in the mountains the next week. BB doe died quick, after a bad shot and I didn't lose half the meat like I would have with other bullets. Some WT deer, with other bullets like the SST, I lose both shoulders. Really ruins the hunt for me when I'm throwing two shoulders away.

Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6552301 11/21/16 03:19 AM
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Haven't hunted in almost 20 yrs. due to health problems, but never had a problem with full penetration and minimal meat damage using Sierra Pro Hunter spt 150 gr in a 30-06. Used 46.5gr. IMR 4062, only on whitetail.

Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6552303 11/21/16 03:20 AM
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This discussion is interesting - good opinions and some valid points throughout .

I'm surprised the subject of specialty rounds hasn't been brought up.

Wouldn't this really be the optimal solution for those who want penetration and expansion , I'm specially talking about those projectiles that the front half separates from the base.

Seems like neck shooters who want to save meat and eradication teams that want to inflict mass trauma would all be served dependent on shot placement.

Oh yeah and if you want to practice find a cheap plinking projectile and tune your charge rate to match the pricey bullets point of impact - also if shooting a semi load the top two rounds with pricey stuff and plinking rounds for the low percentage running shots .


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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6552624 11/21/16 02:29 PM
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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6553225 11/21/16 09:29 PM
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As long as Accubond's and partitions are accurate in my hunting rifles, which they definitely are, I have zero need for anything else.

Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6553383 11/21/16 10:52 PM
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I've seen a lot of game shot with 150 grain Barnes bullets from 7mms and .300 mags


From my experience, unless you hit a shoulder bone, it's straight in and out.


If I'm shooting a deer for meat, it's neck or head, and it really don't matter at that point.

If it's a trophy, I want the bullet to cause massive internal damage and in my experience a Barnes bullet in the 3000 fps range doesent cause it


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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
I've seen a lot of game shot with 150 grain Barnes bullets from 7mms and .300 mags


From my experience, unless you hit a shoulder bone, it's straight in and out.


If I'm shooting a deer for meat, it's neck or head, and it really don't matter at that point.

If it's a trophy, I want the bullet to cause massive internal damage and in my experience a Barnes bullet in the 3000 fps range doesent cause it


That's true. But the TSX does more internal damage than meets the eye (see ballistic gel tests). Have shot one ram and one buck with them (buck was simply because using same rifle later in same year). Ram went 10 yards and collapsed and deer went maybe 40 yards with a great blood trail. That said, I do not prefer them for deer-sized game and won't use them again for deer unless the caliber is small. Even then, I would probably go with an AB or NP or something similar. Monometals are designed to achieve penetration - every time. So their real sweet spot is really for larger, tougher animals.


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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6556294 11/23/16 10:45 PM
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Chad, what's your take on the new ELDX? I shot a bobcat and a yote this weekend and it ripped them open, massive damage. This was the 178gr 30-06 version. Curious as to what results to expect on a deer or pig?

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Curious as to what results to expect on a deer or pig?


Can't speak for the 30 cal, but I was present when my Brother shot a Buck and a Hog with his 6.5 Creedmoor (143 gr. ELDX).

Both animals ran about 40 yards and expired. Internal organs damaged to about the degree I have seen with other bullets.


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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6557702 11/25/16 01:19 AM
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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6557719 11/25/16 01:37 AM
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The adverting hype behind bullets beats anything that candidates can put out in an election.
There are more acronyms for bullets than I have time to mention. Just get an old soft-point or a hollow-point and put it where it counts. The deer will die.
I think the hunting community has become obsessed with the latest-greatest craze.


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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6557745 11/25/16 02:02 AM
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shoot deer at 100 yds with 308 and sp bullet nice exit good blood dead deer, now comes deer hunter with 300 mag same deer 100 yds and problems occur, no exit bullet comes apart dead deer but hunter want exit wound, buys bonded bullets shoots deer nice exit recovers deer, hes right back where we started with 308 and sp bullets. my advice use cartridge with sp bullets at ranges cartridges were designed for.



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shoot deer at 100 yds with 308 and sp bullet nice exit good blood dead deer, now comes deer hunter with 300 mag same deer 100 yds and problems occur, no exit bullet comes apart dead deer but hunter want exit wound, buys bonded bullets shoots deer nice exit recovers deer, hes right back where we started with 308 and sp bullets. my advice use cartridge with sp bullets at ranges cartridges were designed for.


Yep pretty much.

I've been killing deer with cup and core bullets for 20 years only shot a few with "premium" bullets.

Never lost one with interlocks or core-lokts


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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6558034 11/25/16 01:27 PM
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Berger works well if you want copper. I like the high ballistic c. I found accubonds to be close enough. I shot many many animals to prove. I always got good penetration and good retention vs expansion. My favorite example is this hog shot at 930 y. He never took a step. Bullet still made it through him. There was a huge pool of blood where he fell. Honestly is was a marginal shot. Hit him maybe at the tail end of his lungs. Definitely liver.

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Hog is a tad under 300lb. Exit hole was about an inch in dia. I think that's sufficient on such a thick skinned heavy animal.

Another great thing about accubonds is it's much easier to clean my barrel. Dang vlds required copper solvent soak. My barrel showed a huge decline in long range accuracy after a dozen shots or so

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The Berger 130gr VLD's have done me well in the .264


Can't base a bullet off of 2 animals killed 10 years apart roflmao


Most modern ammunition performs well if you know how to place it.
I like the Bergers and the Swift Scirocco II, they both feed well and perform well.





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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: Pig_Popper] #6560521 11/27/16 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: Pig_Popper
This discussion is interesting - good opinions and some valid points throughout .

I'm surprised the subject of specialty rounds hasn't been brought up.

Wouldn't this really be the optimal solution for those who want penetration and expansion , I'm specially talking about those projectiles that the front half separates from the base.

Seems like neck shooters who want to save meat and eradication teams that want to inflict mass trauma would all be served dependent on shot placement.

Oh yeah and if you want to practice find a cheap plinking projectile and tune your charge rate to match the pricey bullets point of impact - also if shooting a semi load the top two rounds with pricey stuff and plinking rounds for the low percentage running shots .




And this is the reason I shoot Nosler Partitions, while it's not the best of both worlds it does give me the ability to take either a heart lung or a shoulder shot with confidence.


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Re: Why I prefer lead bullets over solid copper for hunting [Re: ChadTRG42] #6563908 11/29/16 05:23 PM
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Chevy: I had thought about that also. I tried the Barnes TTSX initially with my 270 and was 2 for 2 on deer that season, both DRT with neck shots. The next year I batted 1000 with my 7mm 08. My buddy also dropped a Utah elk with one shot at 200 yards with 165 grain TTSX with my 300 wsm. Chad did some custom reloads using 120 grain TTSX for my 6.5x284 and I dropped 2 bucks last year with lower neck shots. All my rifles shoot consistently and accurately with the Barnes bullets. That's critical because on a neck shot I have to be sure to hit the vertebrae. Maybe my results aren't typical, but so far so good and it makes sense to stick with what works (for me anyway).


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And this is the reason I shoot Nosler Partitions, while it's not the best of both worlds it does give me the ability to take either a heart lung or a shoulder shot with confidence.




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I shot nothing but Barnes X from 95 to 09 out my 270 and 300. I was a big believer in what goes in must come out. Starting in 2010 I started back where I started shooting my 243 with 100gr. Partitions. I never lost a deer with the Barnes, but dang few dropped in their tracks. With the 243 they tend to drop where they stand. Lot smaller bullet with a lot less energy, but the greater transfer of energy makes a difference.


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
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I've seen a lot of game shot with 150 grain Barnes bullets from 7mms and .300 mags


From my experience, unless you hit a shoulder bone, it's straight in and out.


If I'm shooting a deer for meat, it's neck or head, and it really don't matter at that point.

If it's a trophy, I want the bullet to cause massive internal damage and in my experience a Barnes bullet in the 3000 fps range doesent cause it


That's true. But the TSX does more internal damage than meets the eye (see ballistic gel tests). Have shot one ram and one buck with them (buck was simply because using same rifle later in same year). Ram went 10 yards and collapsed and deer went maybe 40 yards with a great blood trail. That said, I do not prefer them for deer-sized game and won't use them again for deer unless the caliber is small. Even then, I would probably go with an AB or NP or something similar. Monometals are designed to achieve penetration - every time. So their real sweet spot is really for larger, tougher animals.




Can't go wrong with either AB or NP...... grin


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I've seen a lot of game shot with 150 grain Barnes bullets from 7mms and .300 mags


From my experience, unless you hit a shoulder bone, it's straight in and out.


If I'm shooting a deer for meat, it's neck or head, and it really don't matter at that point.

If it's a trophy, I want the bullet to cause massive internal damage and in my experience a Barnes bullet in the 3000 fps range doesent cause it


That's true. But the TSX does more internal damage than meets the eye (see ballistic gel tests). Have shot one ram and one buck with them (buck was simply because using same rifle later in same year). Ram went 10 yards and collapsed and deer went maybe 40 yards with a great blood trail. That said, I do not prefer them for deer-sized game and won't use them again for deer unless the caliber is small. Even then, I would probably go with an AB or NP or something similar. Monometals are designed to achieve penetration - every time. So their real sweet spot is really for larger, tougher animals.




Can't go wrong with either AB or NP...... grin





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