Let me just say this: I have been out there "on the ground" with both my time and my $$ fighting for the rights of hunters - since probably before the OP got out of diapers. Talking, educating, discussing, debating and writing checks.

Did you use a traditional bow and make your own arrows and broadheads, or go cap and ball muzzle loader route....or cheat and use a rifle or compound bow, deer blind, feeder? Would I be a better conservationist if I bought a 60k plus sheep or mule deer auction tag

Anti-hunters are what? Anti-hunters. They are against hunting because of some stupid Disneyesque idea that hunting is cruel, inhumane, and depletes the resource of wild animals. They are stupid.


The real audience hunters need to reach is non-hunters. When you talk to them, overwhelmingly they are concerned about 2 issues:

1)The health of the resource (animal populations and hunters' impacts on same); and
2)The concept of "fair chase" (the ethic of hunters as actually hunting animals rather than just killing them to satisfy some bloodlust or for "fun" - they verbalize this in a number of ways but that's the gist).

fair chase is an oxymoron, we established this already, thus why you use a rifle, atv, outfitter etc. the bloodlust and fun image(and your trophy pics)disappears with a plate full of excellent table fare.

The conservation history of hunters and the continued stewardship of the resource with hunters being by far the greatest conservationists by every metric is a very powerful testimony on hunters' behalf.
The ethic of "fair chase" exemplified by game laws and the individual practice of ethics is right behind it as a powerful testimony. Game laws are just the start of ethics. For example, if every hunter killed their limits every time out, the resource would still undergo significant depletion in many cases. There are many more examples.

fair chase is not exemplified by game laws, game laws simply insure that our food source stays sustainable, except in the case of the article where fair chase was used to lesson hunters and hunting.

There are some issues to be overcome with many forms of dog hunting, but they are usually overcome with a frank discussion/education of the tradition of dog hunting and the careful limits. (But some types of dog hunting have been banned over time - even with hunter acclimation - such as most dog hunting is not allowed for deer.)

it's ok to ban for deer so it's ok to ban for bears and lions? Guess what higher bear and lion population means, less deer tags available..remember sustainable food.. Since your predators don't contribute to loss of tags, I'm sure the hunters surrounding yellow stone and those in states with protected predators should just put their heads back in the sand?

The one current issue the vast, vast, majority of non-hunters remain adamantly repulsed by is ...... well, I'll let y'all fill in that blank.

there you go defining fair chase again by your own ideology. When you can tell me which dinner is HF and which is LM let me know. Fair chase goes way beyond HF, that's what you can't understand in this thread

Argue, cuss, discuss, whatever. I'm out there - I know what the issues of concern are. It does no good to put your heads in the sand about them and "sit down and shut up".

Thank you for the discussion, it furthers my statement about your ideology. Discussion was about labeling different hunting techniques as fair chase or not fair chase and the impact it has on game laws that reducing hunting and hunters. It obvious you are only concerned with your method, your input was noted .

I don't let the antis influence what I say or do at all. Just because I disagree with what another hunter does or doesn't do, it does not automatically put me on the same team as the antis. "The sit down and shut up" mentality aint the answer for sure!

There's simply too much misunderstanding and/or misdirection in all that for me to deal with. There's not one statement or implication in my post about my personal concerns or that my personal methods are the only acceptable methods. Quite the contrary, in fact.

You just don't care for me or my positions BOBO - and that's fine. You do not need to make stuff up for me just to knock it down though. That's a useless game.

What another man does as long as it's moral, ethical and legal is truly no ones buisness...

For once, a post from this young man that I agree with unequivocally, absolutely, and 100%! (Except, of course, for the missing punctuation and misspelling.)

Hell just froze over

What another man does as long as it's moral, ethical and legal is truly no ones buisness...

Britain stood alone against Hitler...
The rest of the World soon realized Hitler was a Idiot...

All this talk about "as long as it's legal, I dont care what another hunter does", remember most here hunt private land in Texas, give Public land a try like many states have, then you can get the full taste of what others think about ethics and courtesy. I have met some great folks hunting public, but more than my fair share of AH too.

For once, a post from this young man that I agree with unequivocally, absolutely, and 100%! (Except, of course, for the missing punctuation and misspelling.)

Just remembered what I was thinking of yesterday and it probably wouldn't apply to hunting in any fashion, maybe as to why we have some game law restrictions, but even then, I'm not sure..Brain fart, sorry. Moral Turpitude was what I was thinking

I think Conservation and stewardship are the best arguments, in that, all people will enjoy the wildlife we as hunters and outdoorsmen pay to preserve, hunters and non hunters alike. It is hunters by a large margin, that pay for the wildlife programs and each states Wildlife divisions funding.

I would pay money to hear one of these ground breaking Speaches

People in Texas are allowed to Harvest Game in any manner they see fit that is Moral, Ethical and within the Laws of TPWD...

I see no reason to belittle or degrade a Hunter on his Harvest because of Narrow Minded Views and Elitist Attitude.

When I see a Animal Harvested and proud Hunter...My first response is...Congratulations and I am Very Happy for you..

NOT Where did you take that and how and with what Caliber ...SMH

Yea you are so above everyone and Superior...
Lets compare time in the field sometime...Not with a paid guide holding your hand saying...shoot that one or watching a hunting show.


Go back to your Fantasy World...

Name these speeches you talk of and to what organizations and when

And it's tanking......I really don't want to have to lock my own thread

TREX will do it, he will do anything for a candy bar and a coke

Or we can try a diversionary tactic, When the tide goes out, where does all that water go?

Lake Ray Hubbard?