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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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I like the swap scope idea, something sound loose or something's touching where it shouldn't. If it shoots good at 100 then goes crazy at 200.... is there a chunk out of the crown>>?? barrel need to be scrapped maybe THis will be fun to see what it is
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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I would say this is typical for a 7mm Mag but I'm sober and trying not to TROLL as much..... After 5:00pm all bets will be off
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Self restraint is way overrated, Buzz. Let er rip! JG needs the stimulation anyway.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Truly a well designed custom rifle. You fellows have no idea how difficult it is to have a rifle lay out perfect spirals in one hole at 100 yds and then automatically begin keyholing at 200 yds. while randomly placing all bullets within a paper plate.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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I would say this is typical for a 7mm Mag but I'm sober and trying not to TROLL as much..... After 5:00pm all bets will be off
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Self restraint is way overrated, Buzz. Let er rip! JG needs the stimulation anyway. I saw his bait.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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05/07/16 09:30 PM
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dang, not even a nibble.......Have a fun Saturday night everyone !!!
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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I would say this is typical for a 7mm Mag but I'm sober and trying not to TROLL as much..... After 5:00pm all bets will be off OOPS just listened, IT's TIME!!! how can you not crack one to that song!!! That and Jim ED Brown's "Pop A Top" Alan's is pretty dang good too!!
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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What bullets have you tried with it so far?
What is it chambered for?
What is the twist rate? Jeff, It's a custom 7 Rem Mag, 1:9" twist. I started with the 195 Hybrids. I was getting round holes while I zero'd the rifle at 100. At 200, the 195's were going in [censored]-eyed (not key holing, but definitely not round holes). So, I drop down to the 180 VLD, which is a 1.51 stability factor according to Berger at 2950-3000 fps. I'm running H1000 in the sweet spot area where every 7 Mag I've ever shot shoots well with a 180 VLD touching the lands (not jammed, just touching). When doing a load work up, a good rifle will follow a pattern in the groups when increasing the powder charges in .3 to .4 grain increments. This rifle has no pattern at all, and is throwing shots all over the place in random fashion. Most groups have a vertical or diagonal string to the group. And the group location will change- meaning one group may impact slightly high and right. The next group may string left and high with no scope adjustment. So, the groups are stringing, and the location of the group changes. Chad, I believe you are borderline in the stability department if you using 180 grain bullets in a #9 twist barrel, I suggest you try to go lighter to 168 to 175 and try another load and see if it improves. Just a thought.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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We like to run the 160s in our 1/9 7mags. I would also say I saw that I had that exact thing happen one time to me and it drove me crazy. We replaced the barrel action on the build to meet the timeline, and when we had time I went back and piddled with it cause I was really really curious, that was the only one I had seen in 300 barrels that had done that to me. Had it Cryoed as a PRS shooter at the local range mentioned he had a gun do that and Cryo fixed his. He was right and the gun went to banging holes in holes. Its like the barrel never got 100% relieved and the barrel was non fluted. Steel is steel some times you have those weird sections. But you have to catch them when they do, don't care what the barrel brand is, anyone can have an issue.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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But you have to catch them when they do, don't care what the barrel brand is, anyone can have an issue. That's my take - if they have a guarantee, it should come with a target to verify. How much $ and time has Chad wasted trying to figure out what the manufacturer should have confirmed before the gun ever left?
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Would love to see picks of the gun. If it is a Fierce rifle (little google got me there) My understanding is those rifles are from John Mogle (guy that left Christensen arms) I believe they are in imports from canada? I think they are like a Canadian vs of a Sako from what I understand. When companies get large and go straight for box store/ dealer market and are paying the large FET fees its harder to catch them all. Especially if you are importing them.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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What bullets have you tried with it so far?
What is it chambered for?
What is the twist rate? Jeff, It's a custom 7 Rem Mag, 1:9" twist. I started with the 195 Hybrids. I was getting round holes while I zero'd the rifle at 100. At 200, the 195's were going in [censored]-eyed (not key holing, but definitely not round holes). So, I drop down to the 180 VLD, which is a 1.51 stability factor according to Berger at 2950-3000 fps. I'm running H1000 in the sweet spot area where every 7 Mag I've ever shot shoots well with a 180 VLD touching the lands (not jammed, just touching). When doing a load work up, a good rifle will follow a pattern in the groups when increasing the powder charges in .3 to .4 grain increments. This rifle has no pattern at all, and is throwing shots all over the place in random fashion. Most groups have a vertical or diagonal string to the group. And the group location will change- meaning one group may impact slightly high and right. The next group may string left and high with no scope adjustment. So, the groups are stringing, and the location of the group changes. I'm guessing a bedding issue. It's unbelievable to me that any custom rifle maker worth their weight would not provide a proven load workup with a target. I have an HCR and a McWhorter, and they both have loads/target included. One thing I've noticed is that when you get a properly built rifle with a good barrel, it will shoot a wide variety of bullet weights/powders very accurately. As to the 7mm Rem Mag comments, I've been shooting them since 1979, and reloading for it since 1986. I seldom have trouble finding 1" or better loads for them. RL22 and 160's is usually the sweet spot for my rifles.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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05/09/16 10:05 PM
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Is that model even bedded?
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Would love to see picks of the gun. If it is a Fierce rifle (little google got me there) My understanding is those rifles are from John Mogle (guy that left Christensen arms) I believe they are in imports from canada? I think they are like a Canadian vs of a Sako from what I understand. When companies get large and go straight for box store/ dealer market and are paying the large FET fees its harder to catch them all. Especially if you are importing them. Derrick, they do have a bedding similar to the Sako 85 rifles, from what I understand. It has some kind of a small 1" recoil piece that the front of the action sits in. I've not seen this type before. When you tighten and unscrew the front screw, you can hear it creak and make sounds inside the stock.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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is that the one that they make in canada?
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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05/09/16 10:16 PM
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No clue. I have an RA and will send it in.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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No clue. I have an RA and will send it in.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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It's kind of funny they don't shot them. Even a cheap production rifle like the Weatherby Vanguard is shot at the factory for accuracy. They used to send the target but quit doing so a few years ago. But they still shoot all of them. they are put in a machined rest and shot 3 times for group. More than an inch and they go back. I have bought 2 1/2" guns and one of them never did get yo an inch. I finally got a different gun from the company and promptly sold it before I shot it.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Hhprecision guarantees 1/4moa. That's a lot for a rifle package that cost $3871.
Chad, would a company that provides a target with the rifle use a vise to shoot the rifle for that kind of accuracy guarantee?
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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When did they start doing 1/4 moa. This is off their website
"we guarantee every rifle we produce to shoot 1/2 MOA in 30 caliber or smaller and 1 MOA anything over 30 caliber. We test fire every rifle before it leaves our facility. We will send you a copy of the target shot with your rifle, complete with load data, and ballistic information. If the rifle does not meet our accuracy guarantee we won't ship it! "
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Sorry thought you meant hs precision I have never heard of HH precision. What ammo is that with?
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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No idea what ammo, their website isn't very good. They are advertising in all their TV commercials 1/4moa
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Cool I have seen 1/4 Guarantee before but so many of them are with their load that you buy from them ether way . Going to be fun to see what this industry looks like in a couple of years. As everyone seems to be trying to get in it, got 2 emails this week from kids looking for information as to how to start their own custom gun business after graduation. As the lower price builders meet that 50 gun FET requirement and have to pay the 11% to uncle sam going to be interesting. Fun to see the growth in the long range shooting and hunting.
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Re: 1/2 moa accuracy guarantee my a$$!
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Should have bought a Tac Ops rifle. Guaranteed to shoot 1/4moa with FGMM, that's factory ammo!
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