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Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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I've been watching the TV show on Sportsman's Channel called "Long Range Reality" about 95% of the competitors are using a chassis system for their stocks. Are these chassis stocks the future of long-range rifle shooting???? I like them....... kinda.....but they seem "cold" compared to the "warm" McMillan or Manners. So, what's up wid dat???
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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02/03/16 10:27 PM
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Ha...and the McMillan's and Manner's seem "cold" to me compared to say Hathcock's wood on his Winchester M70...It's all a matter of perspective...nothing is ever constant but change.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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The chassis are more expensive, they've seen them on TV, etc. etc..
It is possible but unlikely that the guns with chassis stocks shoot better than graphite or glass.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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Ha...and the McMillan's and Manner's seem "cold" to me compared to say Hathcock's wood on his Winchester M70...It's all a matter of perspective...nothing is ever constant but change. Yep. Chassis systems make sense. They don't look too bad, either. If it's not wood, doesn't make much difference.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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I AGREE ON WOOD REASON I BOUGHT MY SAKO M85 BAVARIAN CARBINE. LOVE TO SNUGGLE WITH IT
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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The chassis are more expensive, they've seen them on TV, etc. etc..
It is possible but unlikely that the guns with chassis stocks shoot better than graphite or glass.
Chassis can cost the exact same money as a composite plus bottom metal. But, yes, can cost more. Chassis stocked rifles do not shoot any better. Put the same barreled action in either stock and it will shoot the same, provided the action is equally locked in, and the barrel always remains free-floated in any position. As long as it takes to get a Manners of McMillan I doubt they are, or ever will be hurting for business. Chassis vs. composite is nothing more that personal preference. I prefer composite, but I have no ill will towards chassis.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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The chassis are more expensive, they've seen them on TV, etc. etc..
It is possible but unlikely that the guns with chassis stocks shoot better than graphite or glass.
I wanted to go Manners or McMillan but the wait was too long. Never could find something in stock for my Savage. Also base cost for them were $500 to $600 plus bottom metal for mag $130 and up inched the price up. I decided to go with a MDT Chassis starting at $450 plus a AR butt stock and the chassis was in stock. Chassis was ready to drop action in and no work to it at all.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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02/04/16 02:30 AM
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The chassis are more expensive, they've seen them on TV, etc. etc..
It is possible but unlikely that the guns with chassis stocks shoot better than graphite or glass.
Chassis can cost the exact same money as a composite plus bottom metal. But, yes, can cost more. Chassis stocked rifles do not shoot any better. Put the same barreled action in either stock and it will shoot the same, provided the action is equally locked in, and the barrel always remains free-floated in any position. As long as it takes to get a Manners of McMillan I doubt they are, or ever will be hurting for business. Chassis vs. composite is nothing more that personal preference. I prefer composite, but I have no ill will towards chassis. I think the big reason you are seeing a lot of chassis is because of how easy it is to switch some parts from your AR15 to the chassis. Lights, bipods, a lot of the stuff that our snipers run on there AR15's will mount to the rails on a chassis and give the same feel. Plus, a lot of them fold, making storing and transport very easy. I prefer the feel of composite, chassis don't seem to fit me very well
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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In addition to the modularity, they seem like they would be very adjustable to fit just about any size shooter. I would like to handle one and see for myself.
I was wrong...on anything technical. Fitz............. is right, ya know............
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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I AGREE ON WOODREASON I BOUGHT MY SAKO M85 BAVARIAN CARBINE. LOVE TO SNUGGLE WITH IT Don't make me do it bro.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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I AGREE ON WOOD...LOVE TO SNUGGLE WITH IT FIFY, seems sig worthy, Buzz!
I was wrong...on anything technical. Fitz............. is right, ya know............
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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02/04/16 08:26 AM
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I think part of it has to do with the popularity of the Ruger Precision rifle. You can buy that rifle off the shelf, put a scope on it and be shooting in 1000 yard competitions. Hundreds of rings available in multiple positions on the top rail, you can also change with hand guard, grip, and stock with hundreds of other options. I'm sure drop in triggers will be out for it soon. It's a very accurate modular gun that takes AR parts. You don't have to change the entire stock if it doesn't fit you perfect.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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I still cant decide on fiberglass vs chassis. If long range competition shooters are moving to chassis systems, that doesn't necessarily mean they are better.
I've been cycling for a long time and over the years I've seen all kinds of trends. Frame material, wheel sizes, etc. Typically whatever pro racers are using and what is featured in magazines is what the general crowd gravitates to. I tend to gravitate towards practicality. I ride a steel and titanium for mountain bike....because they are strong materials that can take a beating. I ride carbon fiber for road bike....because it is lightweight and rigid.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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02/04/16 03:02 PM
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Once you pay to inlet and bottom metal a glass stock the chassis are not anymore expensive and sometimes cheaper.
6 one, half dozen to another.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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02/04/16 03:28 PM
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I still cant decide on fiberglass vs chassis. If long range competition shooters are moving to chassis systems, that doesn't necessarily mean they are better.
There are plenty of cases where they run what they are running because they are sponsored by that company. A guy might like NF better, but if Vortex wants to give him a Razor, he's going to use a Razor. I've seen all brands of chassis and composite stocks for years. It is personal preference and sponsorship that determines what people use. One is not "better" than the other. I can see why the military would gravitate toward chassis. They get to mount an NV or thermal in front of their day optic when operating at night. Add an IR designator for calling in air strikes, and the chassis works well. But hunting and competing, it is Ford vs Chevy.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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Just personal preference but I like the chassis systems as they are easier to get behind as they are more easily adjustable. Also they resemble my AR platforms so easy to transition.
I own a traditional Over/Under along with semi shotguns but have yet to pick up a regular stock bolt action for some reason.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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02/04/16 05:46 PM
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IMO, a fine wood stock is to a rifle or shotgun, what a sexy dress is to an attractive women. It just makes it look so much better.
And likewise, a solid-colored, synthetic stock is like a woman in a plain dress with no makeup.
I've seen guys who would select a specific new rifle or shotgun of the same model just because of the grain and appearance of the wood in the stock.
Wood just gives a gun more balance, not to mention reducing recoil due to the added weight. I was handling a rifle with a synthetic stock a few weeks back at Academy and dang near dropped it when the guy working the counter handed it to. All the weight was heavily in the front.
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IMO, a fine wood stock is to a rifle or shotgun, what a sexy dress is to an attractive women. It just makes it look so much better.
And likewise, a solid-colored, synthetic stock is like a woman in a plain dress with no makeup.
I've seen guys who would select a specific new rifle or shotgun of the same model just because of the grain and appearance of the wood in the stock.
Wood just gives a gun more balance, not to mention reducing recoil due to the added weight. I was handling a rifle with a synthetic stock a few weeks back at Academy and dang near dropped it when the guy working the counter handed it to. All the weight was heavily in the front. The Ruger Americans I handled were like that.
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I've seen guys who would select a specific new rifle or shotgun of the same model just because of the grain and appearance of the wood in the stock. One of my hunting mentors used to make his local gun shop order the same shotgun over and over until he found one with the best wood. I really don't think any shop would do that anymore.
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Re: Snipers going away from plastic/glass stocks
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In addition to the modularity, they seem like they would be very adjustable to fit just about any size shooter. I would like to handle one and see for myself. one benefit I see of chassis is ability to adjust length of pull and cheek weld what chassis have you looked at ?
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IMO, a fine wood stock is to a rifle or shotgun, what a sexy dress is to an attractive women. It just makes it look so much better.
And likewise, a solid-colored, synthetic stock is like a woman in a plain dress with no makeup.
I've seen guys who would select a specific new rifle or shotgun of the same model just because of the grain and appearance of the wood in the stock.
Wood just gives a gun more balance, not to mention reducing recoil due to the added weight. I was handling a rifle with a synthetic stock a few weeks back at Academy and dang near dropped it when the guy working the counter handed it to. All the weight was heavily in the front. Well we're also talking fiberglass vs chassis stocks here. Synthetic/plastic stocks are a completely different animal and pretty much suck across the board.
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IMO, a fine wood stock is to a rifle or shotgun, what a sexy dress is to an attractive women. It just makes it look so much better.
And likewise, a solid-colored, synthetic stock is like a woman in a plain dress with no makeup.
I've seen guys who would select a specific new rifle or shotgun of the same model just because of the grain and appearance of the wood in the stock.
Wood just gives a gun more balance, not to mention reducing recoil due to the added weight. I was handling a rifle with a synthetic stock a few weeks back at Academy and dang near dropped it when the guy working the counter handed it to. All the weight was heavily in the front. Well we're also talking fiberglass vs chassis stocks here. Synthetic/plastic stocks are a completely different animal and pretty much suck across the board. Yep. Plastic stocks are not the same thing. And sure, a nice wood stock is great, but I'm clumsy. I don't think I could take a beautiful wood stock to the range without dinging it up, much less out to hunt with it.
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