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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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Chances are that big buck that came out of nowhere to the guy who shot it disappeared from someone else's radar at the same time.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 10:51 PM
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Chances are that big buck that came out of nowhere to the guy who shot it disappeared from someone else's radar at the same time. ^^^^ this guy gets it^^^^
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/01/15 11:55 PM
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I think the idea fair chase is all a matter of opinion. Is upland hunting on horseback/ATV/UTV with a pack of 15 dogs fair chase to the birds you're after, or would it be more sporting to simply walk in with no dogs to do the work for you? Same can be said for hogs, is it really fair chase to let 20 catahoulas range out to bay the bigs then walk up and send in a catch dog or is it more sporting to spot and stalk hogs yourself. In parts of the country using deer dogs for driven hunts could be considered fair chase, but is this really fair for the animals. Does it really matter? In my opinion there is no difference HF hunting than fishing in a smaller reservoir for the end user. Different strokes for different folks.
I think high fencing has an important role in the economy of hunting by creating value in natural landscapes. I would much rather see a 5000 acre HF game ranch offering canned hunts vs a new housing development. I would also rather see canned hunts than a large corporate mono-culture modern farming operation.
The operator of a HF must be much more cognizant in managing his land/animals than someone who has a low fence ranch. I don't find HF guys to be less lazy simply because you can't be lazy. There is so much more management and work that go into a HF ranch than low fence simply because you have to make sure the habitat is right for your animals since they can't just leave.
I would love to one day run 'canned' hunts for deep pocketed customers. But this is mainly because I love working out in the outdoors in nature. Sure they maybe 'canned' hunts to them but I bet you talk to any ranch manager and they would talk your ear off on how much work goes into these easy lazy hunts for the customer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA It's always easier to post a meme than to argue for your opinion point by point isn't it. Don't let it bother you. He likes to make up his ridiculous viewpoint as he goes, and when you give him a valid argument to his ridiculous one he goes into brain lock and resorts to name calling.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/02/15 01:54 AM
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Call me old fashioned. I remember when the first high fences started going up. It was all about exotics. I liked that idea and thought it was cool.We have some land thats been in the family since 1932 near Richland Springs. Over the years we have killed a lot of deer there, some big ones too. We never saw one but there have been lions killed very near our place and one killed a deer on our place once and buried it with brush, which we found. It was all gone nest time we checked. Weve seen red foxes, ring tailed cats. all kinds of stuff. One of the biggest components of hunting for me was always, "you never know what might walk out" and you didn't, and that was the thrill, to sit there and fantasize about it. As time passed more and more high fences started showing up, and I couldn't believe people were putting them up just for whitetail, native game, hell, they were already there, why did you need a fence?? I didn't even like game cams in the beginning, I wanted to be surprised. We didn't even score deer. It was by how many points he had. I miss all that. We are slowly being high fenced all around. every time I take the regency bridge road, or 500 into San Saba or whatever, it seems like there's more high fence. No one can tell me it doesn't affect the free flow of big game. It makes me sad to see what it has become. I still have the fever for it though, I go a lot, I'll be there this weekend, I still kill deer, we all do, my brothers and the boys, but that mystery of it that was so exhilarating, that made for such great campfire talk, I miss that.Plus high fences are ugly. fire away.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/02/15 04:15 AM
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Call me old fashioned.
We are slowly being high fenced all around. every time I take the regency bridge road, or 500 into San Saba or whatever, it seems like there's more high fence. No one can tell me it doesn't affect the free flow of big game. It makes me sad to see what it has become. . A few years ago my bro in law and I were looking to buy some property in South Texas. We are regular middle class guys so we couldn't afford to buy a bunch of land but every place we looked at was high fenced on at least 2 sides. I don't know why people just can't get together and manage the deer without having to stop their traveling. Needless to say I wasn't spending money on land that could end up with 2 deer on it and no way for new deer to get there.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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Call me old fashioned.
We are slowly being high fenced all around. every time I take the regency bridge road, or 500 into San Saba or whatever, it seems like there's more high fence. No one can tell me it doesn't affect the free flow of big game. It makes me sad to see what it has become. . A few years ago my bro in law and I were looking to buy some property in South Texas. We are regular middle class guys so we couldn't afford to buy a bunch of land but every place we looked at was high fenced on at least 2 sides. I don't know why people just can't get together and manage the deer without having to stop their traveling. Needless to say I wasn't spending money on land that could end up with 2 deer on it and no way for new deer to get there. This is the future fellas.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/02/15 05:04 AM
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Call me old fashioned.
We are slowly being high fenced all around. every time I take the regency bridge uroad, or 500 into San Saba or whatever, it seems like there's more high fence. No one can tell me it doesn't affect the free flow of big game. It makes me sad to see what it has become. . A few years ago my bro in law and I were looking to buy some property in South Texas. We are regular middle class guys so we couldn't afford to buy a bunch of land but every place we looked at was high fenced on at least 2 sides. I don't know why people just can't get together and manage the deer without having to stop their traveling. Needless to say I wasn't spending money on land that could end up with 2 deer on it and no way for new deer to get there. This is the future fellas. As pappy once said: Don't do no good ta complain ...
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/02/15 11:49 AM
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I used to not understand high fences.
In the last few years, deer hunters have infiltrated every little 30-40 acre "ranchette" around here, & shoot any deer they see. The bigger places, a couple hundred acres, have deer hunters packed in there, shooting any deer they see. They put up stands right on everybody's fence line (there's more deer over there where their neighbors don't shoot everything). Then a day hunt operation will open up next door, & they SURE DGAF what deer they shoot.
A man that wants to grow deer, let them mature, manage the herd, & harvest select deer has very little chance to do so, due to shitty neighbors. How many pics have been posted here of deer that had no business being taken? Congrats, your a grown man & you shot a 2.5 year old buck that was BARELY legal. What's the point? It's all the low class "hunters" that are forcing peple to put up high fences.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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How many pics have been posted here of deer that had no business being taken? Congrats, your a grown man & you shot a 2.5 year old buck that was BARELY legal. What's the point?
I see your point, but is it any greater feat to shoot a giant deer in a pen? What's the point of that?
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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How many pics have been posted here of deer that had no business being taken? Congrats, your a grown man & you shot a 2.5 year old buck that was BARELY legal. What's the point?
I see your point, but is it any greater feat to shoot a giant deer in a pen? What's the point of that? Just curious, what do you call a "giant" deer?
If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/02/15 01:10 PM
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I used to not understand high fences.
In the last few years, deer hunters have infiltrated every little 30-40 acre "ranchette" around here, & shoot any deer they see. The bigger places, a couple hundred acres, have deer hunters packed in there, shooting any deer they see. They put up stands right on everybody's fence line (there's more deer over there where their neighbors don't shoot everything). Then a day hunt operation will open up next door, & they SURE DGAF what deer they shoot.
A man that wants to grow deer, let them mature, manage the herd, & harvest select deer has very little chance to do so, due to shitty neighbors. How many pics have been posted here of deer that had no business being taken? Congrats, your a grown man & you shot a 2.5 year old buck that was BARELY legal. What's the point? It's all the low class "hunters" that are forcing peple to put up high fences.
This is largely false.It's the classic, "it's everyone else's fault rational. I just spent a year in Kentucky. They are killing some monsters up there, and basically the only high fence in the state is Fort Knox. as a matter of fact, high fences barely exist outside of Texas.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/02/15 01:17 PM
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I have a HF because I try to raise Ibex. I could give a rats rear end about the WT that ended up in it and have also jumped it to get away from the low fences they were born in. They see they will have a better life living here as opposed to where they were born. Now who can blame them for wanting that. The problem is that the property can only provide a certain amount of them that quality of life so some will need to be removed. Asking some to leave will not work as none will volunteer to do so. So the only other solution is for some to be shot. Sound cruel but that is life. I also own some property that is LF. And properties around are LF. There is no comparison on the quality or numbers of Bucks on mine as opposed to the LF where they are free to roam from one neighbors feeder to the next. Nobody around here believes on the notion of letting as some on here say let them mature. In the real LF world around here a mature deer is one that is old enough to walk on it's own.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/02/15 01:18 PM
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I used to not understand high fences.
In the last few years, deer hunters have infiltrated every little 30-40 acre "ranchette" around here, & shoot any deer they see. The bigger places, a couple hundred acres, have deer hunters packed in there, shooting any deer they see. They put up stands right on everybody's fence line (there's more deer over there where their neighbors don't shoot everything). Then a day hunt operation will open up next door, & they SURE DGAF what deer they shoot.
A man that wants to grow deer, let them mature, manage the herd, & harvest select deer has very little chance to do so, due to shitty neighbors. How many pics have been posted here of deer that had no business being taken? Congrats, your a grown man & you shot a 2.5 year old buck that was BARELY legal. What's the point? It's all the low class "hunters" that are forcing peple to put up high fences.
This is largely false.It's the classic, "it's everyone else's fault rational. I just spent a year in Kentucky. They are killing some monsters up there, and basically the only high fence in the state is Fort Knox. as a matter of fact, high fences barely exist outside of Texas. I disagree, this is the exact reason why we and others put up the fence. How many 6-7 year old mature deer do you see yearly here in Texas?
If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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Tye, have you seen some of the deer that are inclosed in a HF. They are absolutely freaks of nature. It would be a one in a million chance to ever see a buck like that in the wild, but they have several for you to choose from in their pen anyday. There's a place near Waco for sale right now, HF 200 acres, boasting of 15 bucks over 200 inches and several over 300 inches. Tell me, how many 300 inch low fence white tails have you ever heard of. That would be "0".
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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Tye, have you seen some of the deer that are inclosed in a HF. They are absolutely freaks of nature. It would be a one in a million chance to ever see a buck like that in the wild, but they have several for you to choose from in their pen anyday. There's a place near Waco for sale right now, HF 200 acres, boasting of 15 bucks over 200 inches and several over 300 inches. Tell me, how many 300 inch low fence white tails have you ever heard of. That would be "0". I agree. Actually have a friend doing that exact same thing and have guided on ranches that do that. It's not my cup of tea, but if they want to do that it's their business. Most of these type operations have shown up in the last 10 years or so. It's more just horn porn. Not all HF places do this though. I think those places will become like the ostrich/emu business in the early 90s. I could be wrong though
If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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12/02/15 01:45 PM
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Tye, have you seen some of the deer that are inclosed in a HF. They are absolutely freaks of nature. It would be a one in a million chance to ever see a buck like that in the wild, but they have several for you to choose from in their pen anyday. There's a place near Waco for sale right now, HF 200 acres, boasting of 15 bucks over 200 inches and several over 300 inches. Tell me, how many 300 inch low fence white tails have you ever heard of. That would be "0". To me there is a difference between a HF with managed native genetics and a HF with the biggest bestest baddest arse genetics you can buy by the straw. Buddy has 1,300 acre HF for the past 5 years. It hunts very similarly to LF places ive been too and the sheds off the biggest buck they have seen don't break 150. They feed protein cottonseed and corn also. You cant paint all HF places with the same brush, just like not all LF places are the same.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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I used to not understand high fences.
In the last few years, deer hunters have infiltrated every little 30-40 acre "ranchette" around here, & shoot any deer they see. The bigger places, a couple hundred acres, have deer hunters packed in there, shooting any deer they see. They put up stands right on everybody's fence line (there's more deer over there where their neighbors don't shoot everything). Then a day hunt operation will open up next door, & they SURE DGAF what deer they shoot.
A man that wants to grow deer, let them mature, manage the herd, & harvest select deer has very little chance to do so, due to shitty neighbors. How many pics have been posted here of deer that had no business being taken? Congrats, your a grown man & you shot a 2.5 year old buck that was BARELY legal. What's the point? It's all the low class "hunters" that are forcing peple to put up high fences.
This is largely false.It's the classic, "it's everyone else's fault rational. I just spent a year in Kentucky. They are killing some monsters up there, and basically the only high fence in the state is Fort Knox. as a matter of fact, high fences barely exist outside of Texas. Big deer are a product of management for the most part, management prinicpals brought to us by Large STX ranches and HF government reseach facilities. I've hunted all over the US. I think it's amusing when people say TX this or That when it comes to HF. State of CO has HF along almost every majority HWY at some point. HF's take a ranch and make it larger for the most part from a management stand point. HF have never bothered me. I don't like seeing imported deer, but that's the owners choice. Ironically some of the biggest native deer in TX are shot on a ranch that was fenced "in" by the niegbhors. Talk about making wine out of sour grapes... If the ranch size exceeds a deers home area then it's fencing out more then it's fencing in.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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Of course I prefer folks to take mature deer, but if you want to attract more young people to hunting, this arrogant bs that you're not "a man" if you can't age a deer perfectly and only shoot 6 year old deer is only good for turning folks off. One dead young buck isn't going to ruin the herd. Get over yourself already.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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Tye, have you seen some of the deer that are inclosed in a HF. They are absolutely freaks of nature. It would be a one in a million chance to ever see a buck like that in the wild, but they have several for you to choose from in their pen anyday. There's a place near Waco for sale right now, HF 200 acres, boasting of 15 bucks over 200 inches and several over 300 inches. Tell me, how many 300 inch low fence white tails have you ever heard of. That would be "0". Breeders and non native have never been my cup of tea. If a ranch can actually turn a profit doing it then more power to them. They obviously didn't HF to keep the neigbhors border deer (that's home range over laps) in. More out. Big deer will always for the most part be a product of natural genetics of the area and trigger control. My old LF ranch in Okla. top end actually exceeds that what has been taken at my LF Stx lease, but both exceed Ty's HF'd ranch... Like TY said not all HF is the same.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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I used to not understand high fences.
In the last few years, deer hunters have infiltrated every little 30-40 acre "ranchette" around here, & shoot any deer they see. The bigger places, a couple hundred acres, have deer hunters packed in there, shooting any deer they see. They put up stands right on everybody's fence line (there's more deer over there where their neighbors don't shoot everything). Then a day hunt operation will open up next door, & they SURE DGAF what deer they shoot.
A man that wants to grow deer, let them mature, manage the herd, & harvest select deer has very little chance to do so, due to shitty neighbors. How many pics have been posted here of deer that had no business being taken? Congrats, your a grown man & you shot a 2.5 year old buck that was BARELY legal. What's the point? It's all the low class "hunters" that are forcing peple to put up high fences.
This is largely false.It's the classic, "it's everyone else's fault rational. I just spent a year in Kentucky. They are killing some monsters up there, and basically the only high fence in the state is Fort Knox. as a matter of fact, high fences barely exist outside of Texas. Big deer are a product of management for the most part, management prinicpals brought to us by Large STX ranches and HF government reseach facilities. I've hunted all over the US. I think it's amusing when people say TX this or That when it comes to HF. State of CO has HF along almost every majority HWY at some point. HF's take a ranch and make it larger for the most part from a management stand point. HF have never bothered me. I don't like seeing imported deer, but that's the owners choice. Ironically some of the biggest native deer in TX are shot on a ranch that was fenced "in" by the niegbhors. Talk about making wine out of sour grapes... If the ranch size exceeds a deers home area then it's fencing out more then it's fencing in. I noticed last time I was in Florida that there are a lot of HF's along interstates and highways as well.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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Of course I prefer folks to take mature deer, but if you want to attract more young people to hunting, this arrogant bs that you're not "a man" if you can't age a deer perfectly and only shoot 6 year old deer is only good for turning folks off. One dead young buck isn't going to ruin the herd. Get over yourself already. While I agree with you, I also disagree. I hunted on 700 acres in Kendal County. Opening weekend there were 14 bucks... yes, 14 bucks killed on the property, not a one was over 3 and most were 2. The surrounding properties were "managed" largely the same. That isn't the way to do things to me either. Out of the 7 hunters 2 were in their teens and 20's, me and my brother the rest were 40 to 65.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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I used to not understand high fences.
In the last few years, deer hunters have infiltrated every little 30-40 acre "ranchette" around here, & shoot any deer they see. The bigger places, a couple hundred acres, have deer hunters packed in there, shooting any deer they see. They put up stands right on everybody's fence line (there's more deer over there where their neighbors don't shoot everything). Then a day hunt operation will open up next door, & they SURE DGAF what deer they shoot.
A man that wants to grow deer, let them mature, manage the herd, & harvest select deer has very little chance to do so, due to shitty neighbors. How many pics have been posted here of deer that had no business being taken? Congrats, your a grown man & you shot a 2.5 year old buck that was BARELY legal. What's the point? It's all the low class "hunters" that are forcing peple to put up high fences.
This is largely false.It's the classic, "it's everyone else's fault rational. I just spent a year in Kentucky. They are killing some monsters up there, and basically the only high fence in the state is Fort Knox. as a matter of fact, high fences barely exist outside of Texas. I disagree, this is the exact reason why we and others put up the fence. How many 6-7 year old mature deer do you see yearly here in Texas? 12 bucks that we know of roam our low fence place meets that 6-7 year old status and god knows how many 4.5 year old bucks. 27K acres between our LO property and our neighbor.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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How many people have the opportunity to hund 27k managed low fence acres?
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How many people have the opportunity to hund 27k managed low fence acres? I don't imagine many, but let me clarify and say OUR portion is just over 3100 if that makes a difference. Post mature animals in good numbers can be achieved on LF places with good neighborly communication on management.
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Re: This Aught to Be Good (HF Debate)
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How many people have the opportunity to hund 27k managed low fence acres? I don't imagine many, but let me clarify and say OUR portion is just over 3100 if that makes a difference. Post mature animals in good numbers can be achieved on LF places with good neighborly communication on management. Try your good neighborly communication around here and see what it gets you. You would get told to mind your own freaking business.
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