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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
[Re: catslayer]
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11/25/15 02:18 PM
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^^What they said
SOMEBODY WRITE THIS DOWN EVERYBODY IS AGREEING FOR 6 WHOLE POSTS Yep how about that! Former .300 win owner current "ought six" shooter! Nothing wrong with the .300 win at all,but man ....if used on WT Deer,expect them to be half processed when you get to them! After 3 shots and 3 deer , I switched!,Yes the .300 win carries the day past 300yds for sure but if it hasn't been asked already, why a belted magnum...have you looked at the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum or better known as .300 RUM! Its .30 necked down form a .404 Jefferies case if I recall! Non-Belted!!!!
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/25/15 03:02 PM
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Not getting the itch just wondering about 300 Win Mag. I hear so much about it that I just wanted to see if it is what it is cracked up to be. Top 5 long action cartridges ever made, and I don't even own one. As stated, it can be loaded down to .308 speeds for whitetail, and also run full house for elk and moose.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/25/15 03:08 PM
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I've used .300 WM full loads on whitetail (at normal deer-hunting ranges) and didn't notice any difference in the way they went down compared to the .25-06, .270, .30-06. If you are expecting something different you will be disappointed. For very long range shooting there might be a difference.
Most of the deer I shot with the WM, I used the Remington "Managed Recoil" loads which replicate the old .300 Savage. The deer went down just as readily with those loads too.
For the one rifle hunter, the .300 WM would be a good choice, if they are going to be hunting elk and deer.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/25/15 05:15 PM
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I understand that 300 WM can be loaded down for deer and up for moose and elk but what about commercial ammo availability. From what I see on the shelves the ammo is all in the full power load with nothing available for lighter loads. And to add insult to injury the price is twice the cost of 30-06. Have you seen 300 WM on the shelves of a podunk general store in the boondocks. I haven't.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/25/15 05:34 PM
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My fault. I often ignore a cartridge's off the shelf ammo availability.
I load my own and believe everyone that shoots a rifle very often should as well. Decent shooting rifles can become great shootig rifles with a handload tuned to them. And you can control every aspect of the ammo achieving far more consistency than any mass produced ammo could ever achieve, no matter how costly the brand is.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/25/15 05:37 PM
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I understand that 300 WM can be loaded down for deer and up for moose and elk but what about commercial ammo availability. From what I see on the shelves the ammo is all in the full power load with nothing available for lighter loads. And to add insult to injury the price is twice the cost of 30-06. Have you seen 300 WM on the shelves of a podunk general store in the boondocks. I haven't. Yes, you'll see .300 WM in Podunk general stores. And, as I said, Remington "Managed Loads" are there so you don't have to reload. If you can't find them on the shelf, they're available from Midway, shipped to your door. I don't think those points are an issue.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/27/15 03:30 PM
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I understand that 300 WM can be loaded down for deer and up for moose and elk but what about commercial ammo availability. From what I see on the shelves the ammo is all in the full power load with nothing available for lighter loads. And to add insult to injury the price is twice the cost of 30-06. Have you seen 300 WM on the shelves of a podunk general store in the boondocks. I haven't. The 300 WM is a very common round and can be found on most shelves. I order my ammo on line so local availability is of no concern. As for performance the 300 wins in all divisions, I don't even have a 30-06 anymore nor would I have a use for one.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/27/15 05:40 PM
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There's no wrong answer, it's just a personal preference thing all together. For me, there's not enough difference between the two to make one really outshine the other...but that takes into account all the other calibers I have for various purposes. For me, the .30-06 is the one and for various reasons: it doesn't pound the crap out of you, it doesn't ask for a whole lot of powder, and I just like everything based on the '06 case.
OTOH, I've been known to say "bigger IS better" when it comes to handgun cartridges for self defense and I can't make a strong argument that the .300 Mag is not a better cartridge than the old .30-06 for similar reasons. I still like the non-belted .30 better though.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/27/15 06:14 PM
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There's no wrong answer, it's just a personal preference thing all together. For me, there's not enough difference between the two to make one really outshine the other...but that takes into account all the other calibers I have for various purposes. For me, the .30-06 is the one and for various reasons: it doesn't pound the crap out of you, it doesn't ask for a whole lot of powder, and I just like everything based on the '06 case.
OTOH, I've been known to say "bigger IS better" when it comes to handgun cartridges for self defense and I can't make a strong argument that the .300 Mag is not a better cartridge than the old .30-06 for similar reasons. I still like the non-belted .30 better though.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/27/15 06:15 PM
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If I could only own one rifle, it would be chambered in .300 Win Mag.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/28/15 04:04 AM
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What edge does 300 Win Mag have over 30-06 for deer hunting. I can't see much difference in the two to warrant the cost of ammo, reloading components and overall performance of the 300 Win Mag. No advantage. Both will waste a lot of energy by having the bullet exit the deer. Honestly, both are too much gun for Texas deer. 90% of all Texas deer are taken less than 100 yards. You dont need a 30-06 or magnum rifle. Most of the time a 243 will work.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/28/15 07:03 PM
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^^What they said
SOMEBODY WRITE THIS DOWN EVERYBODY IS AGREEING FOR 6 WHOLE POSTS Yep how about that! Former .300 win owner current "ought six" shooter! Nothing wrong with the .300 win at all,but man ....if used on WT Deer,expect them to be half processed when you get to them! After 3 shots and 3 deer , I switched!,Yes the .300 win carries the day past 300yds for sure but if it hasn't been asked already, why a belted magnum...have you looked at the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum or better known as .300 RUM! Its .30 necked down form a .404 Jefferies case if I recall! Non-Belted!!!! I don't agree. I personally have taken deer with 243, 25-06, 270, .308, 30-06, 300wm and 44mag. I have not noticed the difference in damage to the animal with any caliber. I did see a .308 remove a rib from a white tail doe and push it thru her outside shoulder. The shot was at about 100yds and two other members witnessed it. My feeders are typically at either 30 or 200yds so 100yds is not my typical shot. Last season one shot was 236 and one was about 35. There you go I disagree LOL.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/28/15 07:12 PM
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That is a pretty interesting experience to have. I've killed quite a few with a .243 and the damage from my 300WM pushing a 208 AMAX nearly 3000 fps is SIGNIFICANTLY different than a 95-110 gr bullet out of a .243, at least in my experiences.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/28/15 07:24 PM
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No advantage. Both will waste a lot of energy by having the bullet exit the deer.
That is strictly your opinion. An exit promotes faster bleed out and can facilitate tracking if necessary. All this preoccupation with energy is really silly anyway. There have been numerous theories on how to quantify bullet performance predictions and none is really superior to the other. The energy figure puts extra emphasis on velocity that could be and IS misleading in some instances, at least in terms of what one might choose to take down a large animal. Momentum is just as good, and so is the Taylor Knock Out factor. If momentum was the buzzword, would we be talking about "wasted momentum?" I doubt it. But when "energy" is the popular term everyone thinks in the same terms applicable to fuel economy in vehicles and electronic efficiency and it just does not make real sense.
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/28/15 07:31 PM
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That is a pretty interesting experience to have. I've killed quite a few with a .243 and the damage from my 300WM pushing a 208 AMAX nearly 3000 fps is SIGNIFICANTLY different than a 95-110 gr bullet out of a .243, at least in my experiences. I run off the shelf 180gr ammo in my 300wm. The largest exit wound I have ever seen was by a 30-06 with factory nozzles ballistic tips, also witnessed by two different forum members (than the 308).
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/28/15 07:32 PM
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/29/15 12:52 AM
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Lol you can't make conclusions based on anecdotal experiences.
Obviously a .300 will have more power than a .243 and, all else being equal, will do more damage. All else is never equal though. Use a TSX in a .300, don't encounter bone, and you will have a pretty clean hole on both ends. Use a varmint bullet in a .243 and in the same scenario and you may have a mess.
I get a smaller caliber will work fine much (if not most) of the time. Since I don't pull the trigger on a buck unless he's a goodun, I don't want 90% - I want the other 10% too. Does that mean I use a .300? No, usually a .270 will get me to 99% where I hunt. But I sure understand those that like 'em....
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Re: Why 300 WinMag over 30-06
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11/29/15 01:17 AM
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I have quite a few different caliber Rifles 6mm. rem .270 win 7mm Rem mag 30/30 .308 Win 30/06 300 win mag 300 Weatherby. I also handload for all of these. I have also taken deer with all of them. What I have noted (my own observation) is that of all of them the .270 is the round that seems to be the deadliest. While I have no scientific data to back up my assumptions. I will say that every shot I have made with the .270 the intended target is lights out before it hits the ground. If you want to talk accuracy my 30/06 will stack 4 shots into the same hole at 100 yds. I will add that I do the majority of my loading in 30/06 also and have developed the most accurate loads for my rifle. The Weatherby is the beast and is the long range go to gun, but I also find it and the 300 win mag to be un-pleasant to shoot (just me )
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