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New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 07:05 PM
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There's a new Bill introduced to remove suppressors from the NFA list and treat them as a regular firearm. If passed, any NFA tax paid after today would be refunded. Transfers would be just like buying a gun. Under the terms of the Hearing Protection Act, introduced Thursday with 10 co-sponsors, gone would be the NFA requirements for the devices. Instead, federal law would treat them as firearms which would allow suppressors to transfer through any regular federal firearms license holders to anyone not prohibited from possessing them after the buyer passes an FBI instant background check.
Rather than the lengthy Form 4 process, which can take months, buyers would only have to complete the standard 4473 Form before taking possession. http://www.guns.com/2015/10/22/bill-introduced-to-remove-suppressors-from-nfa-regulation/
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 07:09 PM
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Sweet, hope it doesn't get killed.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/22/15 07:16 PM
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Of course, right after I order 4....
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 07:23 PM
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Government is going to give away $200 for each suppressor, I doubt it.
Be great if it does happen. I've been wanting .22 lr and .45 suppressors.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/22/15 07:34 PM
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That is awesome, I don't think anything firearms related should be regulated, but in particular suppressors and short barreled rifles should be taken off the list.
I believe in some other places like England of all places you can buy suppressors in hardware stores.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 07:48 PM
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Didn't England outlaw guns? Not sure they'd need suppressors without guns.
It is far more important to be able to hit the target than it is to haggle over who makes a weapon or who pulls a trigger.
� Dwight D. Eisenhower
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 07:52 PM
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Government is going to give away $200 for each suppressor, I doubt it.
Be great if it does happen. I've been wanting .22 lr and .45 suppressors. Exactly, the only way something like this would pass is still having the tax stamp attached to it, but without the Form 4 wait. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't particularly like having to shell out an extra 200 bucks, but if I can walk out with my suppressor that day I'll gladly pay it.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/22/15 07:53 PM
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Well I meant UK, but they're still pretty hard to get. One of the post on that link says it actually illegal to hunt without a suppressor in the UK, and considered rude in most of Europe to shoot a gun without a suppressor.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 08:27 PM
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Sweet, hope it doesn't get killed.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 08:34 PM
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Lets hope and pray it comes to pass. All the bs of govt paper waste is whats held me back.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 08:43 PM
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That is awesome, I don't think anything firearms related should be regulated, but in particular suppressors and short barreled rifles should be taken off the list.
I believe in some other places like England of all places you can buy suppressors in hardware stores. Used one in Scotland a couple of weeks ago for the first time. On a .243. Before I was skeptical, but, they are the bomb.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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Didn't England outlaw guns? Not sure they'd need suppressors without guns. They outlawed handguns. And rifles are extremely regulated. We don't want that. A cop got killed trying to tazer the tires out of a stolen pickup the last week I was there.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 08:58 PM
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That is awesome, I don't think anything firearms related should be regulated, but in particular suppressors and short barreled rifles should be taken off the list.
I believe in some other places like England of all places you can buy suppressors in hardware stores. Used one in Scotland a couple of weeks ago for the first time. On a .243. Before I was skeptical, but, they are the bomb. Same here. The most fun I've had while shooting anything was with one
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 09:13 PM
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I seriously doubt it will pass. Don't get me wrong, I would love for it to. But when have you EVER seen the government give up control over a process or voluntarily lose the income from it? Especially one this deeply entrenched? Ain't gonna happen.
I'll be ordering my Spectre II here in the next few weeks and I won't even bat an eye about this deal. What is way more likely to happen is they do the NFA reform they have been talking about for the last year and require LEO sign off even with a trust. That is why I am not waiting on the Spectre II. I am getting everything I can afford now. My Harvester cleared a few weeks ago and my Omega should hopefully clear late Nov.
Buy early, buy often, that is my motto.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 10:25 PM
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Hoorah for the common man. Attorneys may try to kill this since it would cut into one of their little enclaves.
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 10:32 PM
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I just don't want to have to carry around my papers whenever I take my suppressor out...
I'll be praying that this passes!
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/22/15 11:36 PM
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We can't be this lucky. But I certainly hope so!
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 12:04 AM
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But when have you EVER seen the government give up control over a process or voluntarily lose the income from it? Especially one this deeply entrenched? Enacting prohibition made them lose control.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 01:41 AM
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Obama will veto anything that has to do with more freedoms with anything firearm related.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 02:46 AM
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Government is going to give away $200 for each suppressor, I doubt it.
Be great if it does happen. I've been wanting .22 lr and .45 suppressors. Exactly, the only way something like this would pass is still having the tax stamp attached to it, but without the Form 4 wait. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't particularly like having to shell out an extra 200 bucks, but if I can walk out with my suppressor that day I'll gladly pay it. I just don't want the crazies getting cans. Never know what they're gonna do.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 02:48 AM
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Government is going to give away $200 for each suppressor, I doubt it.
Be great if it does happen. I've been wanting .22 lr and .45 suppressors. Exactly, the only way something like this would pass is still having the tax stamp attached to it, but without the Form 4 wait. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't particularly like having to shell out an extra 200 bucks, but if I can walk out with my suppressor that day I'll gladly pay it. I just don't want the crazies getting cans. Never know what they're gonna do. Go sit in the corner youngin
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 02:51 AM
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Government is going to give away $200 for each suppressor, I doubt it.
Be great if it does happen. I've been wanting .22 lr and .45 suppressors. Exactly, the only way something like this would pass is still having the tax stamp attached to it, but without the Form 4 wait. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't particularly like having to shell out an extra 200 bucks, but if I can walk out with my suppressor that day I'll gladly pay it. I just don't want the crazies getting cans. Never know what they're gonna do. Go sit in the corner youngin I think every responsible gun owner should not want a person getting guns or cans who is not in the right mind
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 02:56 AM
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Obviously we don't want guns or cans to get in the hands of criminals, but making the rest of the lawabiding citizens jump through silly hoops and paying extra money for something that helps save our hearing later in life is just stupid. Same with new gun laws they only work on lawabiding citizens not the criminals.
When is the last time a suppressor has been used to murder someone? In the USA or over seas where you can buy them in hardware stores?
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 02:56 AM
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I think every responsible citizen should not want a person walking the streets who is not in his right mind FIFY.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 03:00 AM
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Obviously we don't want guns or cans to get in the hands of criminals, but making the rest of the lawabiding citizens jump through silly hoops and paying extra money for something that helps save our hearing later in life is just stupid. Same with new gun laws they only work on lawabiding citizens not the criminals.
When is the last time a suppressor has been used to murder someone? In the USA or over seas where you can buy them in hardware stores? Some might argue that the cost of ownsership and hoops make them less available and therefore used less But I agree making it harder for people to legally squire them is not right But telling someone to sit in the corner who says someone who is not mentally stable should Not have guns portray gun owners in a bad light.
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