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#5880342 - 08/15/15 08:26 PM 7mm Elk Bullet
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Since the post about the better elk cartridge has waned a little I guess I will ask a specifc question and see how that pans out.
My choice of elk medicine this season will be a 280 Remington. Last season I shot one elk with the 162 AMax one with the 162gr SST and the last one with a 168gr Berger Classic all with the same Steyr rifle. Yes I like to tinker. grin All shots under 100 yards and all made about two steps and collapsed.
My plan was to use the same load I ended up with last season (168 Berger)but checking my twist rate of the Steyr it turns out to be 1/8.6 so it should handle the 180gr Berger Hybrid and I just happen to have some.
Loaded up a group of them this morning and they shoot fine and to the same POI as my other load at 100 yards.
Now the question go with the heavier 180gr at 2730fps or run the 168gr Classic at 2925fps.
I doubt I would try to take a shot much past 600 yards or so with this setup so not sure it really matters but checking to see if anyone has taken larger game with the 180 Hybrid. I know the 6mm 105 Hybrid is not a good deer bullet..... well unless you LIKE blood trailing then its an OK choice. cool

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#5880357 - 08/15/15 08:33 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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My fear would be lack of a blood trail.

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#5880371 - 08/15/15 08:42 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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Sounds like you've pretty much got your ideas/preferences and criteria, which are different from mine.

Short blood trails are fine IMO. Much preferable to no blood trail since there is no true 100% "DRT" bullet.
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#5880398 - 08/15/15 09:02 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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I killed my elk with a 180 gr. VLD Hunting. 200 yard shot to the vitals, he took a few steps and piled up. There was no exit wound as I recall. The MV out of the 7 Rem Mag was 2935 fps back then. Since, the barrel has sped up and on .002" bumped brass it is making 3020 fps MV.

Run the numbers on your load see what it shows. Also dig into Berger's website for their recommended velocities.
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#5881063 - 08/16/15 12:58 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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I always like heavier bullets for bigger animals. More weight, more energy on target, better penetration.
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#5881093 - 08/16/15 01:20 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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Shot a couple cows with the 180's or 190's out of a 300WM at 150-200 yrds and they both went a few yards and piled up. same trip to the ranch shot a cull buck with the 140's out of a 6.5X47 and had to shoot him in the neck to put him down before he got in the brush.

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#5881110 - 08/16/15 01:32 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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Accubond or Partition would be my choice. I like a bullet to shed some weight but still have plenty of penetration.

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#5881160 - 08/16/15 02:12 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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Anything with depleted uranium

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#5881234 - 08/16/15 03:18 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Anything with depleted uranium


I agree anything to get away from these horrible toxic lead bullets. cool

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#5881781 - 08/16/15 09:08 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: TxHunter80]
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Accubond or Partition would be my choice. I like a bullet to shed some weight but still have plenty of penetration.


X2 Have used the 7mm 160 gr partition on elk from a 7mmSTW.
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#5881807 - 08/16/15 09:17 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: kmon1]
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Serious question.

Since my M.O. is practicing and teaching shot placement, wouldn't the vast majority of bullet constructions kill effectively if they are placed on vitals above or at the speed of sound?

The Paramedic side of me thinks of hydrostatic shock imparted by most bullets.
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#5881845 - 08/16/15 09:30 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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If it makes it to vitals, then yes. Not making to the vitals would be cause for concern. Sometimes you roll the dice on very accurate bullets hoping they retain the weight to get to where they need to go after contact. I was flat out ticked off at VLDs during our Colorado trip for wasting a day. Never in my life seen an animal absorb that much and bleed that little despite massive entrance wounds.

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#5881862 - 08/16/15 09:36 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Serious question.

Since my M.O. is practicing and teaching shot placement, wouldn't the vast majority of bullet constructions kill effectively if they are placed on vitals above or at the speed of sound?

The Paramedic side of me thinks of hydrostatic shock imparted by most bullets.


What bullet are you using that will expand to deliver hydrostatic shock at the speed of sound that will not go to pieces if impact velocity is say 2800fps?
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#5881905 - 08/16/15 10:07 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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"Hydrostatic shock" is thrown around a lot, but the phrase has been shown to be poorly defined and of little demonstrable value when it comes to causing quick mortality in big game animals.

The one immutable requirement is to get a wound channel that penetrates to a vital area. That's it. Anything that potentially sacrifices the odds of that happening is a poor tradeoff.

To me, that means using a well-constructed bullet considering the animal sought. For elk, IMO that means an Accubond, Partition, or monometal expanding bullet. Everything else is a risk, and often a big risk.


Edited by Nogalus Prairie (08/17/15 07:22 AM)
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#5882031 - 08/17/15 05:38 AM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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+1

I'll stick to the old, long standing paradigm of bullet performance: retain weight, expand moderately, and penetrate straight and deep---hopefully exiting the off side.
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