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Son of a...
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08/03/15 01:03 PM
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LarryCopper
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Yesterday a fellow lease member posted up a pic of the "cull buck" that his son took last season while nobody else was around. This is not an AR county (it's hill country) and we were told to take spikes and "inferior bucks" by the land owner. Is it wrong of me to get a little PO'd about this one? What if I was told at the time it was it had no spread and looked like an antelope?
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Re: Son of a...
[Re: LarryCopper]
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08/03/15 01:11 PM
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If you have rules and the rules are not followed then you have the right to be upset. This could be an opportunity to educate him on what a yearling looks like and try to make it a positive. We put up game camera picks at our lease and have a sort of hit list of culls and that seems to help some.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 01:16 PM
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LarryCopper I'm going to intentionally dodge your question. However, speaking for me, I would not have taken that yearling, and if I were with my son or daughter, I would have had them pass on it also.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 01:17 PM
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In his defense it does kind of resemble the antelope look.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 01:29 PM
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In his defense it does kind of resemble the antelope look. We meant the rack, not the skinny long face and body!
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 02:44 PM
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I take it the claim for it being inferior was due to no brow tines?
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 02:59 PM
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Good looking yearling buck there, should definitely not have been shot. If those are the guidelines, and they were expressed to the group that clearly, then I wouldn't be happy about this harvest.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 03:32 PM
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Should not have been shot, JMO.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 03:40 PM
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WOW! That buck is a giant! I bet he tasted pretty good.......
I'd be pissed!
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 03:47 PM
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don k
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If the kid is allowed to shoot a deer what would you prefer him to take? The largest Buck on the lease or that one?
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 03:48 PM
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In my humble opinion this young buck could have had potential. The guy with the fake mustache should not have taken this deer.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 03:50 PM
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I would bring it up to the lease manager. That's his/her job to deal with situations like this. It's not worth getting involved bit of damn sure want that guy off the lease this year
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 04:07 PM
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I'd FIRST get after him for having muzzle pointing at himself in a pic . . . Wouldn't want anybody like that around me anywhere anytime . . . .
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 04:09 PM
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Wow...
Just had to shoot I guess...Lotta Does need killin
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 04:17 PM
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All kids need to get a first deer. I don't much care if that deer is a 1.5 YO 10 pt or a 6 year old cow horn spike or something in the middle. If they are hunting on a place with a management program in place it should fall within the requirements of a management plan.
Places should have management plans that say kill "inferior" bucks without detailing what constitutes inferior bucks. Assuming everyone agrees on that is just putting a big pile of Dog carp in the middle of the walking trail.
I have hunted with my dad and brother for about 25 years and we still differ on opinions about deer we have until we all sit down and hash it out.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 04:48 PM
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I blame the old man for not painting a clear picture of what a cull should look like. My boy has taken plenty of them in the form of old spikes, but I've also taken the time to sit in the blind with him and explain how to judge anything we see. How to determine age on the hoof, etc. It doesn't take long for them to pick it up if you put in the effort. Did I mention this "kid" is 22 years old and lives at home with no job? We ain't talkin' a 10 year old that got a little trigger happy.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 05:12 PM
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I would tell him to put as much energy into learning about whitetail deer their habitat and management as he's likely put into the AR, scope, and suppressor he has pointed at himself. The only upside is the deer has no indication of brow tines and the lack or presence there of is very heritable.
I'd also establish some rules for culls.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 06:16 PM
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I go back to my original statement. Would you rather that so called "kid" that doesn't look to know much about guns or hunting have taken the largest Buck Deer on your least and it not have meant anything to him. Or shoot the one he did?
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 06:28 PM
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Seems like an opportunity for teaching/learning.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 06:28 PM
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I go back to my original statement. Would you rather that so called "kid" that doesn't look to know much about guns or hunting have taken the largest Buck Deer on your least and it not have meant anything to him. Or shoot the one he did? He wasn't allowed to take a larger buck and that is easier for anyone to determine... only a cull... so that really doesn't apply. I'd rather he shoot one of the several 2.5 year old spikes like the land owner intended. But... had he shot a biggun that would be a lot simpler of a situation to handle. Been nice knowin ya kid, don't come back and take your old man with ya.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 06:34 PM
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 06:46 PM
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Seems like an opportunity for teaching/learning. X2
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 07:34 PM
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Seems like an opportunity for teaching/learning. X2 Or for a whippin. 22 and no job. wheew... Anyways I would be like others mentioned upset about the picture, and then after the lease member who A) thinks a 22 year old son shouldn't have to pay his own way as a separate lease member B) has not educated his 22 year old son on what a cull is and 3) not educated his 22 year old son to have a job. I am guessing this picture was sent out as o happy days look what he shot. Ive seen a few of those when it's illegal deer the smile in the pic turns into a frown real quick.
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 07:48 PM
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Seems like an opportunity for teaching/learning. X2 Or for a whippin. 22 and no job. wheew... Anyways I would be like others mentioned upset about the picture, and then after the lease member who A) thinks a 22 year old son shouldn't have to pay his own way as a separate lease member B) has not educated his 22 year old son on what a cull is and 3) not educated his 22 year old son to have a job. I am guessing this picture was sent out as o happy days look what he shot. Ive seen a few of those when it's illegal deer the smile in the pic turns into a frown real quick. Once that Boy is off the Teet he can pay his own way, free till graduation...then he either hunts off your Tag and Quota or he can become a functioning part of Society and get a job and pay his way...
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Re: Son of a...
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08/03/15 07:57 PM
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Oh, for Pete's sake. That's one tiny, young deer. Proof positive that "cull" has to be one of the most broadly interpreted words on the planet. 22, at home, no job is becoming very, very common. >>Millenials at home There's one right down the street from me. I call him the "one class wonder". 'Been going to one class a day (around 10ish a.m.) at the local college for years now. He was recently given his second new, lifted Ford pickup (with vanity plates, of course) by mummy and daddy. Never see a girl with him. His dad hunts some. Wait a minute...this kid doesn't live between San Antonio and Boerne does he???
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