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#5755554
05/22/15 08:35 PM
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esnow74
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I can not remember the last time I saw lease openings on what appear to be really good ranches that did not fill almost immediately. It makes me wonder if this is a sign of the times that prices have gone too high and with fewer oil and gas workers bank rolling, will the prices start to drop just slightly? It looks like there are a few really good looking places here on the forum that are still trying to fill up and have been for a couple of weeks. I have never seen prices go down so I tend to think they will hold steady or even continue to rise a little but it just makes me wonder why these are not full yet. I know for me it is just a price issue since I was not budgeting to spend $4500 but can easily see the value in what they are offering. I wish I had known a year ago these were going to open up. Just my luck.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5755679
05/22/15 10:26 PM
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Pittstate
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If they are not leasing in Texas, they must be heading north. My Dad (lives in Kansas) has been contacted almost weekly this year with people looking to lease. I also field calls for Kansas leases pretty much every week and for Oklahoma & Missouri about the same.
I have been offered several exotic hunts at about 50% off 2 year ago prices.
So far this year I have done: 1) Texas Dall hunt for $250, Hybrid Mouflon (probably 95% or better) for $500 and Black buck for $1,000. Getting lots more offers as well, but I am totally booked for this year and can't take on more hunts.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5755698
05/22/15 10:42 PM
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ParkCountyElkDestroyer
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The deer lease market is at supply and demand equilibrium. That is the joy of living in America.
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Re: lease prices
[Re: esnow74]
#5755699
05/22/15 10:42 PM
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stxranchman
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I do not ever see lease prices going down. The demand is still very high for good leases where I am at. Also effecting leases is the fact that many ranches have split and/or been sold taking those ranches/leases off the market. A lot of ranches have went up and are not that good of quality of lease for the money. That is leaving some spot open. While others have gone up to what they consider fair market for what they have to offer on their land.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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[Re: esnow74]
#5755708
05/22/15 10:51 PM
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titan2232
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You can still find good land for lease at a good price, but you'll have to by pass the "middle man". My family and I stumbled upon a good deal back in January on a place in eastern Val Verde County. The LO and his ranch hand had a big disagreement which led to the entire group being booted off.
The LO told us flat out: "Mr Jones (ranch hand) was bringing double the allowable hunters out and charging them $3,800 a gun. Mr Jones only paid 20K for the 3200 acres which was supposed to have 10 hunters max. A few months into season I found out Mr Jones and his hunters were slaughtering Axis when I clearly stated no axis should be taken."
LO told us that the 20K for the lease is a drop in the bucket to what he makes on his sheep and 200 gas well. Said he just wanted a serious group that would take care of his land and manage the deer under his rules and the money meant nothing.
I think there are still opportunities like this you just have to be in the right place at the right time.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5755954
05/23/15 02:00 AM
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thewrap
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If you look hard enough you can find good leases at fair prices. A friend of mine hunts a place near the Matador Ranch for $1200 a year. Most places I've looked at are about $2000 with at the very least electricity at camp. Which I think in most areas is a pretty fair price. But I don't see lease prices going down anytime soon. If anything I've noticed more demand and less supply so it's quite possible to see them go up over the next few years. But that's just what I've observed.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5755969
05/23/15 02:16 AM
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TexFlip
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I just saw a listing on FB for 25 acres in Duval county for $750 deer season only. Who would lease 25 acres?
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5756015
05/23/15 02:49 AM
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BigLou
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Have you guys seen the population growth in texas from out-of-state folks? Mine is the only family in our entire neighborhood that is originally from texas. So many new folks, and many of them are wanting to learn how to hunt. Great for our sport and tradition. But bad for lease prices. I doubt prices will fall any time soon...
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[Re: TexFlip]
#5756308
05/23/15 01:31 PM
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sqiggy
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I just saw a listing on FB for 25 acres in Duval county for $750 deer season only. Who would lease 25 acres? Seen on another site where a guy wants to lease his 54 or maybe it was 74 acres to 2 guys at $2500 a gun. I'm sorry, believe it was bow only!!! Not allowed to shoot any turkeys.
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#5756334
05/23/15 01:54 PM
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Navasot
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I just saw a listing on FB for 25 acres in Duval county for $750 deer season only. Who would lease 25 acres? Seen on another site where a guy wants to lease his 54 or maybe it was 74 acres to 2 guys at $2500 a gun. I'm sorry, believe it was bow only!!! Not allowed to shoot any turkeys. I would in the right part of Duval... one of mine is 14 acres in leon co.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5756337
05/23/15 01:57 PM
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Navasot
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Id rather grab those smaller cheap leases than a big expensive one... also keep it close to home.. one stand on the place.. low traffic and bow only.... love those kinda spots... I don't have to go further than 8 miles to get to all of them from the house.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5756357
05/23/15 02:14 PM
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1860.colt
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i blame the economy... Economy income, can't aford a lease... Usdtacould aford too...
i'm postaddic
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[Re: 1860.colt]
#5757126
05/24/15 09:01 AM
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aeb
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I hear this all the time from the guys on my smaller place and then I think about the $50K hunting rigs parked at camp.....wonder what the camp would look like in good times?
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[Re: Navasot]
#5757136
05/24/15 10:37 AM
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Briar Rabbit
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I just saw a listing on FB for 25 acres in Duval county for $750 deer season only. Who would lease 25 acres? Seen on another site where a guy wants to lease his 54 or maybe it was 74 acres to 2 guys at $2500 a gun. I'm sorry, believe it was bow only!!! Not allowed to shoot any turkeys. I would in the right part of Duval... one of mine is 14 acres in leon co. Amen Navasot, in the right spot and with good food plots and feeders you can make an oasis for the deer, as long as you can get the owner to respect your hard work also....
I crow louder, when I'm far from the nest!
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[Re: Navasot]
#5757243
05/24/15 01:41 PM
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sqiggy
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I just saw a listing on FB for 25 acres in Duval county for $750 deer season only. Who would lease 25 acres? Seen on another site where a guy wants to lease his 54 or maybe it was 74 acres to 2 guys at $2500 a gun. I'm sorry, believe it was bow only!!! Not allowed to shoot any turkeys. I would in the right part of Duval... one of mine is 14 acres in leon co. Well, this place ISN'T in the right place!!
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[Re: Briar Rabbit]
#5757421
05/24/15 04:12 PM
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1860.colt
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I just saw a listing on FB for 25 acres in Duval county for $750 deer season only. Who would lease 25 acres? Seen on another site where a guy wants to lease his 54 or maybe it was 74 acres to 2 guys at $2500 a gun. I'm sorry, believe it was bow only!!! Not allowed to shoot any turkeys. I would in the right part of Duval... one of mine is 14 acres in leon co. Amen Navasot, in the right spot and with good food plots and feeders you can make an oasis for the deer, as long as you can get the owner to respect your hard work also....
i'm postaddic
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#5759707
05/26/15 11:01 AM
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Erathkid
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Id rather grab those smaller cheap leases than a big expensive one... also keep it close to home.. one stand on the place.. low traffic and bow only.... love those kinda spots... I don't have to go further than 8 miles to get to all of them from the house. Yep. A friend who's place I 'manage', has a small property but it has everything, creek, hills, low area for food plot, pond and high deer density. We could fill our tags, but don't. It's surrounded by large ranches. Location, location, location.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it. Don't text and drive.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5759843
05/26/15 01:41 PM
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FoxTrot
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I go north. I have a lease in Kansas. I also have a place in Bell County. I dont pay for it but there are some stipulations that I have to agree to. Being that it is "free", I gladly agree to whatever the LO wants which means that there are certain days that I cant hunt because he is letting his kids hunt or his uncle is in town hunting. Will I kill a B&C buck off of this property?, More than likely, no but I shot a P&Y off it in 2013 and we have plenty of deer around with all of our shooters going 130"-150". Cant wait to see what this year has in store since we didnt kill a buck lsat year off of the place. We should have a couple of studs pending they survived the winter. In fact in 3 years on the place, we have shot 4 bucks. I shot a 132", kiddos killed 2 descent 8 pts and LO Uncle shot a 16pt freak.
I avoid Dick's and hope they fold.
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[Re: titan2232]
#5763186
05/28/15 02:29 PM
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therancher
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You can still find good land for lease at a good price, but you'll have to by pass the "middle man". My family and I stumbled upon a good deal back in January on a place in eastern Val Verde County. The LO and his ranch hand had a big disagreement which led to the entire group being booted off.
The LO told us flat out: "Mr Jones (ranch hand) was bringing double the allowable hunters out and charging them $3,800 a gun. Mr Jones only paid 20K for the 3200 acres which was supposed to have 10 hunters max. A few months into season I found out Mr Jones and his hunters were slaughtering Axis when I clearly stated no axis should be taken."
LO told us that the 20K for the lease is a drop in the bucket to what he makes on his sheep and 200 gas well. Said he just wanted a serious group that would take care of his land and manage the deer under his rules and the money meant nothing.
I think there are still opportunities like this you just have to be in the right place at the right time. Wow, sounds like his "ranch manager" might have been accepting golf games and steak dinners from his "friend" the "lease manager". Funny how the ranch owner who doesn't "need the money" was pissed that his "ranch manger" was accepting bribes.... This all sounds so.... familiar.
Crotchety old bastidge
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[Re: therancher]
#5763446
05/28/15 05:37 PM
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1860.colt
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You can still find good land for lease at a good price, but you'll have to by pass the "middle man". My family and I stumbled upon a good deal back in January on a place in eastern Val Verde County. The LO and his ranch hand had a big disagreement which led to the entire group being booted off.
The LO told us flat out: "Mr Jones (ranch hand) was bringing double the allowable hunters out and charging them $3,800 a gun. Mr Jones only paid 20K for the 3200 acres which was supposed to have 10 hunters max. A few months into season I found out Mr Jones and his hunters were slaughtering Axis when I clearly stated no axis should be taken."
LO told us that the 20K for the lease is a drop in the bucket to what he makes on his sheep and 200 gas well. Said he just wanted a serious group that would take care of his land and manage the deer under his rules and the money meant nothing.
I think there are still opportunities like this you just have to be in the right place at the right time. Wow, sounds like his "ranch manager" might have been accepting golf games and steak dinners from his "friend" the "lease manager". Funny how the ranch owner who doesn't "need the money" was pissed that his "ranch manger" was accepting bribes.... This all sounds so.... familiar. As others have said: gotta pay to play .... As mentioned earlier in this forum... First lease got on, everyone else was doing it, was for the 24-7-365 hog hunting... Rules were, no guests during deer season ... Three different times caught people on lease, not supose ta be their... Talked ta two, they said they had permisson from members... So whin got culled no biggy... Been on several other leases.. WMA opened up, hunted them... worth...
i'm postaddic
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[Re: esnow74]
#5763464
05/28/15 05:53 PM
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rattler03
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There are still quality leases at fair prices all across the state, but there are also a lot of places that are over-priced. A lot of that has to do with the increased use of lease brokers.
I just got on a new lease a few months ago in a area known for producing nice bucks, with a good ratio of acres per hunters, priced at just under $9/acre, camp with electricity and less than 3 hours from DFW. They are out there, but with the population increases we are seeing and the subdivision of rural properties taking place they will be harder to find. Prices will only be increasing, as well. When you find a good one - keep it, the grass is not always greener on the other side.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5763482
05/28/15 06:11 PM
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JKC
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We have a great lease and found it right here 3 years ago. We are now in a long term agreeement with the landowner and do anything he asks us to do which isn't much.
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
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#5763691
05/28/15 08:37 PM
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dw173
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I still hunt where I came from, can't afford it here.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5763693
05/28/15 08:38 PM
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dw173
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I came here 25 yrs ago. It has been increasing on that lease too but much cheaper.
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[Re: esnow74]
#5763699
05/28/15 08:43 PM
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Navasot
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I don't see how someone says they can hunt in like Kansas for cheaper if they are really hunting the place... I don't care if its free if you hunt it even a dozen times a year how are you not getting eat up in Fuel?
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