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Re: "magic" feed - opinions [Re: tlk] #5723766 04/30/15 05:44 PM
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The stuff works great for hair growth as well, Check out the pork chops on young "Elvis" clap





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Re: "magic" feed - opinions [Re: John Humbert] #5723834 04/30/15 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: John Humbert
I think there is a way to "prove" the feed contributes that much. STOP using it and see what happens. If a deer adds "30 or 40" inches in one year because of the magic feed - then stop using it and see what happens the next year. If the deer doesn't add anything or better yet - DROPS inches, then it would be very interesting. But if he continues add, then scream BS and walk away.

I agree with the rest of what you said but this part I disagree with. You can do this test with the same deer but you can not take a year off a deers age and let him relive that year again. Your test will not prove anything more than the deer had the feed then did not have the feed. All deer are now one year older that is all and they should get better. Habitat and rainfall play as much into the equations as do the genetics. Antlers are grown utilizing nutrients that the deer takes in, he builds a healthy body or skeletal structure first then any excess nutrients available go towards growing antlers or milk production.
Again antlers are 44% protein, 22% calcium and 11% phosphorous.


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This feed is anise flavored/scented. I'm not aware of other traditional protein pellets that are favored like this. Could part of their claimed success be due to the fact that the deer are simply consuming more of it because they find more palatable?

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Originally Posted By: RedSnake
This feed is anise flavored/scented. I'm not aware of other traditional protein pellets that are favored like this. Could part of their claimed success be due to the fact that the deer are simply consuming more of it because they find more palatable?


That's why side by side similar genetic pens is really the only way to prove anything.


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I don't post much but figured I would put in my 2 cents, since I hunt on the ranch in question. I have had the opportunity to go down and take pictures or varmint hunt the last 2 season. I had such a good time I became a lease member last year and had a great season on the ranch.
The deer definitely put on inches this year in many cases. I figured it would be easy to find a buck this year but with all the growth or potentially many deer got to walk. The amount of mature big bucks makes it hard to choose.
This feed has close to 1000#s per ton of cottonseed and peanuts and smells pretty tasty. The deer love the stuff and I have not seen any issues to the deer from it.
I know that the lease manger has spent many years trying many different things and feeds over the years here and has found a feed that has done more than any other one thing he has done in years past.
I am no biologist and don't claim to be but the deer on this place are doing tremendous.
The management plan, location, livestock pressure have been the same the last 3 plus years and this last year was awesome!
I do know this he would not feed something he did not believe was the best, it is just how he does things with what he is passionate about.

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If you are talking about DD feed I have been feeding it for awhile now and it is making a difference. On the feed we were on before we would see about 20-25% increase per year were are more the 25-30% not inches. Yes it is more expensive but I believe it is worth it. But as it has been said before that is only one part of getting bigger deer. It's all the little things that add up to make it come together. We have at least 2-3 6 spouts each big horn feeders at each feed station. We have 17 feeders on 500ac they all have water beside them and letting them get some age before we decide what gets culled.

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Originally Posted By: Deer Hound
If you are talking about DD feed I have been feeding it for awhile now and it is making a difference. On the feed we were on before we would see about 20-25% increase per year were are more the 25-30% not inches. Yes it is more expensive but I believe it is worth it. But as it has been said before that is only one part of getting bigger deer. It's all the little things that add up to make it come together. We have at least 2-3 6 spouts each big horn feeders at each feed station. We have 17 feeders on 500ac they all have water beside them and letting them get some age before we decide what gets culled.


please explain what the 20-25% increase relates to? Body weight? Horns?


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If you are talking about DD feed I have been feeding it for awhile now and it is making a difference. On the feed we were on before we would see about 20-25% increase per year were are more the 25-30% not inches. Yes it is more expensive but I believe it is worth it. But as it has been said before that is only one part of getting bigger deer. It's all the little things that add up to make it come together. We have at least 2-3 6 spouts each big horn feeders at each feed station. We have 17 feeders on 500ac they all have water beside them and letting them get some age before we decide what gets culled.


please explain what the 20-25% increase relates to? Body weight? Horns?

Native pasture deer or pen deer or released pen deer in the pasture? What are the age classes you are seeing these numbers on to start? Do you have a feed label? Thought this new feed just came out?


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If you are talking about DD feed I have been feeding it for awhile now and it is making a difference. On the feed we were on before we would see about 20-25% increase per year were are more the 25-30% not inches. Yes it is more expensive but I believe it is worth it. But as it has been said before that is only one part of getting bigger deer. It's all the little things that add up to make it come together. We have at least 2-3 6 spouts each big horn feeders at each feed station. We have 17 feeders on 500ac they all have water beside them and letting them get some age before we decide what gets culled.


please explain what the 20-25% increase relates to? Body weight? Horns?

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It's called Double Down feed we buy from there in Dilley where it is made. It has been around for a little while it is just starting to get some attention now. Our deer are mix of native with a few yearly pen raised bucks turn out every year. I try to start identifying bucks when they get their second set of horns and tracking them from then on. What I meant by 20-25% was mainly in horn growth that is only a average some do better some not as well of course there is some body weight that goes along with that increase. I do know when we switched over they quit hitting the protein feeders that had the other feed in it and were steady empting the ones with the DD. I'm not trying to push this feed. I think there are alot of other things that play into raising a big deer the other thing that I believe no matter what you do or feed only 2-3 out of 10 pasture deer are ever going to be great big deer 180+. and yes it is alot of feeders. I have watched a group of summer bucks come into eat and if there are not enough places the young bucks stand back and watch till the older deer are finished eating then they run up grab a few bites and take off down behind the older bucks only feeding for a few minutes so I try to allow them somewhere to eat as well.

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Originally Posted By: Deer Hound
It's called Double Down feed we buy from there in Dilley where it is made. It has been around for a little while it is just starting to get some attention now. Our deer are mix of native with a few yearly pen raised bucks turn out every year. I try to start identifying bucks when they get their second set of horns and tracking them from then on. What I meant by 20-25% was mainly in horn growth that is only a average some do better some not as well of course there is some body weight that goes along with that increase. I do know when we switched over they quit hitting the protein feeders that had the other feed in it and were steady empting the ones with the DD. I'm not trying to push this feed. I think there are alot of other things that play into raising a big deer the other thing that I believe no matter what you do or feed only 2-3 out of 10 pasture deer are ever going to be great big deer 180+. and yes it is alot of feeders. I have watched a group of summer bucks come into eat and if there are not enough places the young bucks stand back and watch till the older deer are finished eating then they run up grab a few bites and take off down behind the older bucks only feeding for a few minutes so I try to allow them somewhere to eat as well.


I may be wrong but I believe the person promoting it for Dilley had a hand in coming up with the contents and he just started feeding it prior to last season - so I think it has only been available for a little over a year


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You are correct it has been out there for a year give or take to the public. It is just started getting a lot of attention over the last 6 months or so. Like I said before I feel like feed is only one part of the answer. The ranch that is really behind push it has a lot of other good practice's in place that work for them as STXranchman said every ranch is different so what works for me may not work 5 miles down the road and I'm by no means claiming to know how to raise deer I'm just try to do the best I can with what little bit I have. My deer are by no means as big as some out there.

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I don't believe there is a such thing as a 'magic feed' but I do believe there is a right feed for a particular property. If your supplementing, without doing an assessment of the native food availability, you can't be sure your supplement is correct. In that situation, if you switch from one supplement to another, you just might hit on the right supplement with the results looking miraculous. The thing is that your miracle feed for your area might not be a miracle feed 25 miles away. stxranchman posted the nutritional analysis for the feed used in the Kerr research project at one time, it's composition was different from most supplements. It was noticeably higher in phosphorus, phosphorus is also the most expensive mineral to add to feed.


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I think price depends on whether it is bag or bulk and how much you get. It also depends on whether you get it from Dilley or another source. Call Jason at Dilley feed and grain

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Originally Posted By: Deer Hound
I think price depends on whether it is bag or bulk and how much you get. It also depends on whether you get it from Dilley or another source. Call Jason at Dilley feed and grain


Last I saw it was around $500 per ton - not sure if that included delivery - I also think Dilley only has one truck to deliver in bulk so not sure what turn around time is for delivery. Most of the other feeds I see (Purina/L&E/Livengood/etc. are under $400 a ton delivered


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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
No way can it contribute that much first year.



Unless you where on year five of a fiver drought and that's all they had to eat. In that case they didn't grow that much, they just caught up.

Most new feed programs benefit the babies the most, because they grow up with it, there for hit it more.


I watched a HF go up on a buddy's place during the drought a few years back.
The first year increase in antler was huge, the 30-40 increase may have been possible there. The deer had to eat the protein, there was nothing else to eat, and the deer were a year older to add to the results.
If you put out a more desirable protein (smells and tastes better) that deer want to go eat more, you will have even better results.
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Originally Posted By: Deer Hound
It's called Double Down feed we buy from there in Dilley where it is made. It has been around for a little while it is just starting to get some attention now. Our deer are mix of native with a few yearly pen raised bucks turn out every year. I try to start identifying bucks when they get their second set of horns and tracking them from then on. What I meant by 20-25% was mainly in horn growth that is only a average some do better some not as well of course there is some body weight that goes along with that increase. I do know when we switched over they quit hitting the protein feeders that had the other feed in it and were steady empting the ones with the DD. I'm not trying to push this feed. I think there are alot of other things that play into raising a big deer the other thing that I believe no matter what you do or feed only 2-3 out of 10 pasture deer are ever going to be great big deer 180+. and yes it is alot of feeders. I have watched a group of summer bucks come into eat and if there are not enough places the young bucks stand back and watch till the older deer are finished eating then they run up grab a few bites and take off down behind the older bucks only feeding for a few minutes so I try to allow them somewhere to eat as well.

Are you seeing this in all age classes from 1.5 up to mature? Are you seeing this 20-25% average growth every year across the board? What was your rainfall like each year from Jan till end of May since you started with this feed? Are slick 8 points growing the much every year from age 1.5 till mature? How many deer out of every fawn crop are growing more than your 20-25% average every year? Are you doing any culling, if so at what age do you start? Just hard to believe every buck is on average growing 20-25% per year. That would make every fawn born(using 70 as average at one year old) turn into buck 170+ or much larger at 6 with just a 20% growth on average(average of 174 gross at 6) and then even large if you use 25%(that would make your average buck over 210" at 6) . Lastly grin I am records on paper and visual kinda guy...so gotta see actual proof of your numbers worthless Don't doubt your word but gotta show me the proof then I will be a believer. I can show bucks that were really nice bucks at 3 or 4 or 5 that grew 20-33% in the next year into bucks scoring 180-250 gross that were not raised on this magic feed, just a 20% pasture feed and food plots. But it won't be a whole ranch full that average 20-25% per year every year. Make me a believer.


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This feed has close to 1000#s per ton of cottonseed and peanuts and smells pretty tasty. The deer love the stuff and I have not seen any issues to the deer from it.

So the feed is almost half cottonseed and peanuts, both have a calcium/phosphorus ratio of approx. 1/4 deer can utilize a ratio of between 4/1 and 1/2. I'm betting that the analysis for the feed is in the 1/1 to 1/2 range where most commercial feeds are at 2/1. If the native foods are phosphorus poor, like a lot of Texas, exacerbated by years of overgrazing, a high phosphorus supplement might just be what the doctor ordered.


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This feed has close to 1000#s per ton of cottonseed and peanuts and smells pretty tasty. The deer love the stuff and I have not seen any issues to the deer from it.

So the feed is almost half cottonseed and peanuts, both have a calcium/phosphorus ratio of approx. 1/4 deer can utilize a ratio of between 4/1 and 1/2. I'm betting that the analysis for the feed is in the 1/1 to 1/2 range where most commercial feeds are at 2/1. If the native foods are phosphorus poor, like a lot of Texas, exacerbated by years of overgrazing, a high phosphorus supplement might just be what the doctor ordered.

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I am seeing reports from folks who started using this feed this year that it is breaking down in their feeders - any kind of moisture is apparently causing the feeders to clog up - this is coming from more than one user. If that is factual then that is a huge issue -


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This feed has close to 1000#s per ton of cottonseed and peanuts and smells pretty tasty. The deer love the stuff and I have not seen any issues to the deer from it.

So the feed is almost half cottonseed and peanuts, both have a calcium/phosphorus ratio of approx. 1/4 deer can utilize a ratio of between 4/1 and 1/2. I'm betting that the analysis for the feed is in the 1/1 to 1/2 range where most commercial feeds are at 2/1. If the native foods are phosphorus poor, like a lot of Texas, exacerbated by years of overgrazing, a high phosphorus supplement might just be what the doctor ordered.

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It's not English it's math, antlers are made up of 22% calcium and 11% phosphorus, or a 2 to 1 ratio. The mineral ratio in peanuts is .15% to .60%, or a 1 to 4 ratio of calcium to phosphorus, cottonseed is similar. If deer aren't getting the correct ratio of minerals from their natural forage, then a supplement that provides it is useful, if they eat enough. If half of the feed ingredients average out at a 1 to 4 ratio, it's likely that the mix has a ratio somewhere in the 1/1 to 1/2 range, because deer can only utilize it up to a 1/2 ratio.


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STXranchman I was not claiming every buck to see that kind of growth but that is what I'm looking for. I do have alot of records I would be more then glad to share with you. As I said above I think only 2-3 out of every 10 have a chance of becoming a big deer 180+. I cull very very hard and it depneds on the year but if they do not have at leat 10 points as a 4 year old they are gone. I try to take a bottom percentage of almost all age class bucks from 3 on up. I can not afford to feed a bunch of deer so I rather have a few real nice bucks we wont have 10 bucks make it to 6.5 each year but the ones that do I'm proud of. Im by no means claiming to have your knowledge about raising deer I only know what has worked for us and I'm not saying there is not room for improvement. Our rain has been very spradic 6-12 inches over the last 3-5 year this year we are very good shape it seems like we have gotten rain about every week or so. We do not plant any food plots. I will post some pictures as soon as I can upload them this afternoon.

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