Has Tikka entered any of these competitons? I have competed a whole lot with a Savage action and can tell you it is very very frustrating to be trying to run a stage and the whimpy ejector doesn't eject spent brass. If I had ten minutes to make ten shots I wouldn't mind, but I've got about 60 seconds to make 6-10 shots at various targets, at various ranges and postions. Whole lot going on in your mind, it sucks having to add the need to remove spent brass fron the action. As of right now my 22-250 is doing exactly that, removing the brass from the chamber and letting go of it in on top of the mag every shot.

I've worked up loads both for Savages and Tikkas, and neither has shot better than the other. They both shoot great.

You guys are making it tough and have given a lot of good advice.

Funny how there is never the perfect rifle. One has a good stock one doesnt one has quality bolt components one doesnt one has a good butt pad and the other doesnt.

Both shoot well and will out perform me as far as their accuracy so that I dont have to decide on.

I have the optic already in hand. Trijicon accupoint 3-9X40. Should be a very nice piece of glass for this rifle set up and application.

I plan on buying just this one rifle for longer shots to compliment my AR for pig hunting or deer. I prefer pigs. Go figure!

308 vs 30-06 They match up exactly the same as far as my rifle abilities are concerned. But I am leaning to 30-06 just for the fact that during the last ammo shortage 2 years ago there was plenty of 30-06 on the shelf and no 308 anywhere. That would be my only reason to do a 30-06 over a 308. Does this make sense?

Or does a 270 with its faster flatter and more wind resistant bullet make it more accurate for a novice shooter? Less wind drift, less drop, faster bullet so less of a lead on moving animals, etc

How do you decide on the perfect rifle that you want to last a lifetime?

It sounds like I need to get the Tikka Stainless in 308 30-06 0r 270.

Oh boy!
Here we go again?

270 performs poorly in the wind compared to .308 or 30-06. Speed is not everything at longer ranges. I vote .308 but 06 is an excellent choice. Limbsaver or similar butt pad is a must with any of the calibers you listed if your going to spend much time on the bench. My current personal favorite is the 7-08. Moderate recoil with good performance on game and long range.

Of those three, I'd go with the .30-06

Not my quote "The .30-06 will do everything the .308 will do, only better." That's true, it also has more recoil.

blah if you go with .30 get a real one not a st. issue

Id go with .270

as for the other two 30-06 all day...

I have a CZ 550 in 30-06 that is very accurate and comes with CZ rings. I like the set trigger. It has beautiful bluing and stock. 113 rounds of good ammo and I'm not too far from Galveston Bay. I'll let you have it for $700.00

+1. There are a myriad of .30 caliber bullets with MUCH better BC than anything you can get in .270, and I'm talking over the counter ammo, not just handloading.

Being that you already have an AR, and could build a Grendel upper for it to cover the middle ground if you wanted, I'd go with the .30-06 since you can get ammo anywhere for it and short of brown bears (and perhaps large grizzlies) is adequate for anything in North America.

Just went up to a local gun store that had both rifles. Looks like BigPig has me sold now. I handled both rifles and the feeling of the Savage w/accustock was very nice and just felt better and more solid. I also looked at some kimbers and Howas and remmy's. the kimbers were nice but way too much for a beginner hunter

Thanks boys!! Savage Weather warrior in 30-06 is going to be my first real hunting rifle. Now I just need to get my M1A sold so I can get it. My local gun store will take my M1A in trade but of course they are low balling me on it.

I bought my son a Tikka T3 in 7mm-08 last year and another is on my short list of rifle purchases. I have and like Savages too, but the Tikka trigger feels better than my Accutriggers. You really can't go wrong with either one.

Between a .308 and a 30-06, I vote '06.

-ww

Seems like it's always about the BC of the bullet with some folks. Gotta have a great BC or you can't hunt anything. That's Baloney, with a capital B. If the OP's shots on pigs aren't past 500 yards or so, who cares what the BC of the bullet is. I have the stainless Tikka T3 in 260 and I like it a lot (including the stock that some of you don't like). That said, my shooting won't be out past 500, and I just personally couldn't care less what the BC of my bullets are. And if the pigs, which have left me (I can't believe I'm saying that I want them back) do come back and get bigger, I'll drag out the 270. It hits harder than the 260, and kicks harder than the 260, but sure is a hammer. The 260 is just a smaller hammer, with little recoil. And is light, and super accurate, and easy to carry, and has an action like glass. It's as smooth and solid as the action on my old Sako, which I've always likened to closing a bank vault door.

If the OP goes with the T3 Lite Stainless, be again advised that it's wonderfully light. And will likely kick like a mule in 30-06. Get it in 6.5 Creedmore or 260 or 7-08. And I'd take a 270 over a 308 every chance I got. So did my Dad. He hunted with a 308 for years, till I loaned him my 270. He shot a couple of deer and coyotes with it and said "Son, I like this 270 and I need one". So he sold the 308 and we kids bought him a 270 and he hunted with it happily for about 20 years. For the record, it was a Ruger Ultralight with tang safety. Great rifle. Kicks just a touch. A big touch.

Never said you had to have a great BC to hunt with, but a 30-06 is infinitely more flexible than a .270-you never know what you may want to do with a gun, particularly if it's your only one (or one of just a couple). Why not buy the most flexible option?

Check the price at Buds Gun Shop (online), you may be able to get a better price with free shipping.

What kind of m1a and how much?

603 country my reference to BC was a direct result of his reference to wind drift. And nothing more. He wanted to fight the wind at long range. A higher BC bullet at moderate velocity beats a poor BC at a higher velocity at long range. Which was what he spoke of.

OMG I can't believe I'ma fixin to commit a heresy, as a 270 shooter for almost 50 years...go buy a 7-08 or 280 in whatever you buy to start with.... there I said it publicly and now FJG can giggle at me out loud and say I tole you so.

Obviously there are no flys on either a 308 or '06...but in Texas and most of the USA a 7-08 will do everything a 270 will do and have less recoil...and can be upgraded aka rebuilt for LR work with the necessary stuff to shoot like FJG does at 1K+. Like every other caliber you will need to learn to reload to realize the maximum efficiency of the caliber...or buy Chad a new truck's worth of his tuned ammo until you do.

When I bought a tricked out 308 TC Venture last December off GunBroker it was to take advantage of the milsurp supply of 7.62x51 brass in CHEEP Stuff for use as a under 250 yard Swamp Killer & Boat Paddle downloaded in the 24-25-2600fps range for no recoil...and could of as easily bought the same configuration of WeatherShield & All Purpose Camo Wrap in a 7-08 at about the same $350 net net I paid on ther 308 from the same dealer at the same time, but would've had to fight off another guy that was as intent on the tricked out 7-08 as I was the 308. Rethought the strategy in the hours spent in another of the DinL's hospital waiting rooms, and sold the 308 when we got back home.

For shots under 400 yards Ballistic Coefficient #'s are prety much meaningless, ask the XSpurts. However at +5-6-7-800 & over 1000 yards or more the BC's are everything, in fighting the wind, as elevation can be dialed to quote a Local Well Known Guru.

7-08 or a 280 IMO is the perfect 'tweener now that we have gooder n'gooder bullets and waay Mo Bettah powder these days, unlike in the late '60's when I learned the lessons I draw from today. In my search for the perfect "Last Guns I'll Ever Buy To Hunt With" aka "what to use for the next 10 years"...most likely I'll wind up with a pair of 284's in a short lite 7x57/7-08 w/ a 20-22" max length barrel for a walk around or box blind for a 2-3 mebbe 400 yard shooter & a 280/280AI in a 24or 26" barrel for a Long Gun for open country, with one in an All Weather and the other in a traditional Wood/Blue, since I'll never go to Alaska or Africa and never need another Magnum or anything bigger than 284 175 gr bullets at 2600fps. The 2nd tier Last Guns will be a 9.3x62 for pure fun in assasinating cantaloupes and water mellons or a stray nilgi + a 6.5 Swede/260 for Varmints and slightly bigger critters in 100-120gr'ers or something similar and a GREAT 22LR Tree Rat shooter I'm gonna try and wear out....a Cooper 22Lr sounds nice...

Wish I'd listened to my grandfather who told me to buy a 280 almost 50 years ago and not get suckered into a 270WCF like all the KewlKidds. Nope Peer Pressure was too great in 1968/'69 and I've had a good run with a 270 and could live with one the rest of my life & just might always have one on the shelf to look at and draw blood occasionaly with to prove th point... but like all things in Life the Best Rifle is always the Next Rifle.

Got a buddy that's done that with wives and on his GodOnlyKnowsHowMany???? and is working halfway thru the 2nd Hands set of fingers ... and ya'll just thought guns were an expensive hobby. I think he used to keep a Divorce Atty on a Retainer...I know he had one on speed dial.
Ron

I wondered who'd kick about the mentioning of the cuss words "ballistic coefficient".

Twas not I that brought it up, this time....

SRO25 it is in the classifieds here. Just dropped price to $1375

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/5672750/1 http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/5672750/1

I am not comfortable with shooting anything over 275-300 yards somewhere around there will be my limit for an ethical shot. Thanks guys lets not get heated up over bc's

I am just looking for that all around rifle cartridge which is 308 or 30-06 and I would rather have the 308 but after that last ammo scare and 308 was nowhere to be found and 30-06 was all over the shelves. That is the only reason I am going with 30-06. For my novice abilities there will be no difference most likely in shot placement performance.

Naw Ya Dinnit, I did...quoting you LOLOL

Actually it was Chad I was quoting that under ??? yards BC's were meaningless and only important past 4-500 yards...and you said that you could dial for elevation & hold for wind but BC's were critical for fighting the wind. I'm on board with those Principals, 'cause I read lots more places than just THF. Helps put me to sleep studying drop charts Vs BC's & MV's by diameter and bullet weight.

Right now I am almost giddy today and don't care what who sez about anything...

The DinL's Brain Surgery last Monday went well, She's out of ICU today, early, and in a room, with only a 9" zipper in the back of her skull to show for the 6+ hour trip on the OR Table, and no loss of motor skills, speech, memory yadda yadda from losing a chunk of the Cerebellum along with over 90% of the 2 INCH non Malignant tumor that was blocking 75%+ of all the blood flow to the right side of her brain, up to the back of the Optic Nerve, causing blindness, loss of hearing, and loss of inner ear balance and so on. Looks like she'll get to go home mebbe Sunday or early next week. This time last week we were not certain she'd live long enough to get to the OR Table and eating each other alive at the simplest wrong word...now we are planning for the next Battle.

The Worst Bad Guy is down & done successfully, #2 that could paralyze her below the waist for life is coming asap & #'s 3 & 4 reconstructions could be done at this rate by early/mid summer and then we get to fix the Lymphoma Cancer in her colon again mebbe before September. July '15 makes 24 months we've been on this Journey, starting with a Pancreas Tumor excision that less that %5/10% of patients survive from.

Nope I need the Rifle Looney chattering class yipping and yapping inanities to keep me sane and remind me that there really is a normal Life out there going on "out there in the World as we once knew it"...or at least occupied with thinking about something non Medically Related.

BC arguments are fun....kinda like "how many angels can dance on the tip of a needle" from shakespeare's days. This other stuff will hurt your head and make you loose hope and make you want to quit fighting ... but there is NO QUIT in this lady my son is married to that I'm pulling for. My JOB now to live up to her example and keep a happy face doing it and not allow my Dark Side to daydream and get out of hand.

My apologies to All for the TMI dump.
Ron

Hang in there wiley we are all pulling for you and her! I love hearing the advice of the experienced.

the good thing is that no matter what I choose it will be the right one.

You are right Wiley it is good to get your mind off other things with something you like!

Well Bigfoot I bet your glad you ask the question, it's all clear now which is the best! Right!

Keep an open mind, handle a bunch of different brands, pick one that fits you and your budget, with an adjustable trigger and you won't be disappointed!

Tikka
Sako A7

I might've gotten a little too grumpy regarding bullet BC, and it does matter at distance.

Now...to get back to the original topic, I'm still a Tikka fan though if someone prefers a Savage that's fine. As for calibers, i guess I have to admit I've made my terrific old Sako 270 into a safe queen. Pains me to say it, but there it is. That Tikka in 260 has just started sticking to my hand when I deer hunt. So light and well balanced and so very accurate. And it seems to work about as well on the deer. But, if I was going to consider another caliber, I'd most likely go to a 6.5-284 rather than a 7-08. Not being a long range target shooter, barrel life isn't that much of a concern of mine, and I think of the 6.5-284 as a 260 on Red Bull - giving full 270 ballistics with a bullet with better....yes....I'm gonna admit it...BC.

The 30-06 would be a fine option I'm sure, but unless you specifically need that much grunt (and I don't), why combine that recoil with the light and well balanced Tikka T3 Lite. I can happily shoot that 260 all day long, which may be plenty of reason to not upgrade to the 6.5-284 if it's tough on the shoulder (which is info I don't have).

And Wiley, best of luck with the DinL's recovery. I also had brain surgery for a non-malignant tumor that was blocking blood flow and had intruded into my left eye socket. Truly kicked my tail and took a full year to get over, but I got to keep all my faculties, eyes, ears, and whatever. Tell her this will pass.

LOL I love these threads.

Get what you like and gives you confidence. In whatever caliber of those being bandied about. For whatever reason you think is the most important for you. You will be fine.

I like my old .270 but I have a bunch of deer/sheep/antelope rifles-I am ashamed to say how many. I like them all.

Good luck and have fun!

I've hunted with all 3 calibers and believe it or not all 3 calibers killed the animal. I'm partial to the 270 because that's what my first rifle was that my dad bought me. All three will treat you right, bullet choices are great for all 3 and should be able to find something no matter what you want to hunt. The 308 will prob be a better choice if you decide to ever take your shooting to longer distances, and I only say that because there is a lot of information regarding the 308 and a lot of match ammo available for it.

Good choice on the Savage! As far as the extractor hanging up or not fully ejecting, you have to get angry with it. Not sure why everybody baby's the bolt when reloading. Ever notice how violent a M1A or AR-15/10 is when cycling a round?

Put another 3000-4000 rounds in the Savage action, get as violent as you want and see if it makes a hill of beans.