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Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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I have a Vortex Viper PST 4-16 scope and I am buying rings/bases. At first I was going to buy 20 MOA bases, but now I am reading that some people have problems zeroing at 100 yards with 20 MOA bases, all shots go high even after cranking all the way down.
Anyone ever run into this problem using 20 MOA bases?
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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I think most tactical style scopes have plenty of adjustment. It will also help that the pst have a 30mm tube. You'll be fine with that scope, also make sure you get the lowest rings as possible.
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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^^^ D!(€^^^ I would t know, optics planet is the most worthless company I've ever dealt with and can't seem to ship my 20moa base that I ordered on January 27. Thanks for fueling the fire
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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03/03/15 12:46 AM
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that scope has 75moa total elevation. Shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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That scope is designed to be mounted on a 20 MOA base so that you have all the built in usable travel. If it won't zero at 100 yards, call Vortex, because something is wrong.
I have the 6-24x PST and it rides on a 7 Rem Mag and 7mm-08, both with 20 MOA bases, and both let it zero at 100 yards without issue.
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Thanks for the replies! When ordering scope rings do I need to order a higher size because of the 20 MOA cant?
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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03/03/15 04:45 AM
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Thanks for the replies! When ordering scope rings do I need to order a higher size because of the 20 MOA cant? this was a discussion in previous threads check the height of the manufacturer as you can probably get away w low-= not sure why without additional info that you need a 20 moa base the 4 -16 viper is a 600 yard scope at best and not intended for use w long range as the glass other than a clear day will fragment good for targets not precision
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Thanks for the replies! When ordering scope rings do I need to order a higher size because of the 20 MOA cant? this was a discussion in previous threads check the height of the manufacturer as you can probably get away w low-= not sure why without additional info that you need a 20 moa base the 4 -16 viper is a 600 yard scope at best and not intended for use w long range as the glass other than a clear day will fragment good for targets not precision Huh? What is your preferred scope and power for "long range" shooting?
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Thanks for the replies! When ordering scope rings do I need to order a higher size because of the 20 MOA cant? this was a discussion in previous threads check the height of the manufacturer as you can probably get away w low-= not sure why without additional info that you need a 20 moa base the 4 -16 viper is a 600 yard scope at best and not intended for use w long range as the glass other than a clear day will fragment good for targets not precision In the manual for that scope Vortex recommends the use of a 20 moa rail and for ranges to 800 yards. The range would also be dictated by what cartridge and bullet you are using. In the Q&A on their webpage that question is answered http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Thanks for the replies! When ordering scope rings do I need to order a higher size because of the 20 MOA cant? this was a discussion in previous threads check the height of the manufacturer as you can probably get away w low-= not sure why without additional info that you need a 20 moa base the 4 -16 viper is a 600 yard scope at best and not intended for use w long range as the glass other than a clear day will fragment good for targets not precision In the manual for that scope Vortex recommends the use of a 20 moa rail and for ranges to 800 yards. The range would also be dictated by what cartridge and bullet you are using. In the Q&A on their webpage that question is answered http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle words are important it actually says if shooting distances beyond 800 yards use a 20 moa rail "Note: If shooting at distances in excess of 800 yards with 4–16x50 or 6–24x50 models, Vortex Optics recommends use of a 20 MOA canted Picatinny rail or 30 mm rings with adjustable offsets. These can be purchased through companies such as Badger Ordnance, Barrett Mfg., EGW, Burris, and others" so I will stand by statement that for precison shooting the 4-16 x 40-50 is a 600 yard scope the glass
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Thanks for the replies! When ordering scope rings do I need to order a higher size because of the 20 MOA cant? this was a discussion in previous threads check the height of the manufacturer as you can probably get away w low-= not sure why without additional info that you need a 20 moa base the 4 -16 viper is a 600 yard scope at best and not intended for use w long range as the glass other than a clear day will fragment good for targets not precision Huh? What is your preferred scope and power for "long range" shooting? please define long range - the viper quality of that glass under other high noon sunlight to hit steel will work sure 1000 yards - but would choose a better tool to do a better job Razor hd gen 2
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Thanks for the replies! When ordering scope rings do I need to order a higher size because of the 20 MOA cant? this was a discussion in previous threads check the height of the manufacturer as you can probably get away w low-= not sure why without additional info that you need a 20 moa base the 4 -16 viper is a 600 yard scope at best and not intended for use w long range as the glass other than a clear day will fragment good for targets not precision Pass me some of what you're smoking. What does "the wording" say about the Viper 6-24 power? Because I have used it to shoot 1760 yards a.k.a. one mile. Sure the Vortex Razor is a higher quality scope. It's also more than twice as expensive and much heavier. The Viper 4-16X is a good dual purpose scope, both for hunting and shooting a thousand yards and beyond.
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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This is what I was talking about in my Sub MOA post last week. Internet warriors!
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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No sir! Pointed at usdrscott
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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This is what I was talking about in my Sub MOA post last week. Internet warriors! Which is precisely why I don't ask questions in a post anymore. You have to deal with too many answers from people that just spit out what they read on SnipersHide or some place. I PM a select few members who I feel know what they are talking about.
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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Yes you do.
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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No sir! Pointed at usdrscott so a suggestion on ring height is internet warrior - you world here off to meet the trijicon folks
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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No. Your suggestion that a Vortex Viper 4-16x50 is not s good scope past 600 yards, blasphemy! I've got the Viper PST 6-24x50 and run it around 14-16 power at 500yds, even in low light it works well. I'm just saying, you like to talk about the Vortex Razor and how good it is, then post up your "accuracy" shots at 1000yds!
Have fun with the Trijicon guys
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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This is what I was talking about in my Sub MOA post last week. Internet warriors! Which is precisely why I don't ask questions in a post anymore. You have to deal with too many answers from people that just spit out what they read on SnipersHide or some place. I PM a select few members who I feel know what they are talking about. Is that pointed at me?
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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No. Your suggestion that a Vortex Viper 4-16x50 is not s good scope past 600 yards, blasphemy! I've got the Viper PST 6-24x50 and run it around 14-16 power at 500yds, even in low light it works well. I'm just saying, you like to talk about the Vortex Razor and how good it is, then post up your "accuracy" shots at 1000yds!
Have fun with the Trijicon guys so you set your scope magnification at 14-16 power for 500 yards Thank you for supporting my opinion that 16x is generally good for <600 yards -
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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So 16X is no good beyond 600 yards?
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Re: Any Negatives to 20 MOA Bases?
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I think he is confused and dodging the questions.
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