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#5600645 - 02/15/15 02:51 PM Bushbuck?
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Does anyone know of any bushbuck in Texas? They are one of my favorite African antelopes, and id love to see them one day here in the states.

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#5600699 - 02/15/15 03:27 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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#5601342 - 02/15/15 09:33 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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Kobus you need to get a copy of Exotics on the Range by Cary Mungall and William J Sheffield. I checked my copy and there are no reports of Bushbuck in Texas. The other place to check is the EWA Species List If it isn't listed in either place there is almost no chance of it being available.
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#5603499 - 02/16/15 09:17 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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Interesting.
I've heard stuff as interesting as Hartebeest, Tsessebe, Val Rhebok, and even Lord Derby Eland in Texas. I mean any things possible, I wouldn't hesitate to say that someone maybe in the past or now has(or had) a bushbuck.

Maybe they will pop up in the future...

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#5603919 - 02/17/15 07:46 AM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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Originally Posted By: Kobus
Interesting.
I've heard stuff as interesting as Hartebeest, Tsessebe, Val Rhebok, and even Lord Derby Eland in Texas. I mean any things possible, I wouldn't hesitate to say that someone maybe in the past or now has(or had) a bushbuck.

Maybe they will pop up in the future...

It has to be in the past because zoos could and would sell excess stock to almost anyone. That hasn't been true for many years, prior to Chronic Wasting Disease, there was some flexibility with Cervids, that's no longer true.
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#5603949 - 02/17/15 08:02 AM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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What happened with the excess stock then?
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#5604001 - 02/17/15 08:27 AM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: fvh40]
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Originally Posted By: fvh40
What happened with the excess stock then?

A lot of time it becomes food for the carnivores.
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#5607195 - 02/18/15 06:27 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: nsmike]
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Originally Posted By: nsmike
Originally Posted By: Kobus
Interesting.
I've heard stuff as interesting as Hartebeest, Tsessebe, Val Rhebok, and even Lord Derby Eland in Texas. I mean any things possible, I wouldn't hesitate to say that someone maybe in the past or now has(or had) a bushbuck.

Maybe they will pop up in the future...

It has to be in the past because zoos could and would sell excess stock to almost anyone. That hasn't been true for many years, prior to Chronic Wasting Disease, there was some flexibility with Cervids, that's no longer true.


Zoos still sell stock to private owners, but most if not all will not sell direct to ranches associated with hunting. Closed borders absolutely complicates things.

Think I said my thoughts in the original response. Neat animal, would love to see them here, their aggression is a bit overblown - dangerous when wounded - yes, so are any number of species common over here. Dangerous to other species - potentially, so are a number of other super exotics. they don't do wonderfully with nyala, but it's not like ranchers in SA are overly concerned about trans-species losses.

I think it comes down to the fact that they aren't rare, they don't attract a crowd at zoo, and there's not enough of a market interest to justify the up-front cost of trying to get them over here.

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#5607572 - 02/18/15 09:40 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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What happens between them and Nyala?

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#5607634 - 02/18/15 10:21 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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They fight, and the bushbuck tend to win. See them on the same place plenty, but usually only larger places where they can settle into different areas/habitats on the property.

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#5607649 - 02/18/15 10:37 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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Bushbuck are pretty aggressive ex specially if injured.

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#5608296 - 02/19/15 12:05 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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I want to differ from Txnrog. I see Bushbuck and Nyala grazing amongst
one another everyday and I've never seen any action between them.

Very nice Bushbuck Cody
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#5608565 - 02/19/15 02:49 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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Thanks FVH40, Nothern Limpopo Provence 2014

My concession has quite a few Nyala & Bushbuck, ours tend to be in different areas since the bushbuck really like the thick edges around the creeks and the Nyala like the small medows they graze in.

To my knowledge we don't have many BB injure other animals but I'm sure it happens.

I did get a link to a local SA newspaper article where a local garner was recently killed by a bushbuck, freak deal though, bb put a horn right threw his temple
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#5608795 - 02/19/15 05:19 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: Kobus]
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fVH40 - maybe it's old ranchers tales, but when I worked over there, several ranchers complained about struggling to introduce nyala if they had strong existing populations of bushbuck. Perhaps misguided cause and effect since they do naturally co-exist in KZN, Mozambique and Zimbabwe. As mentioned, see plenty of places with them on the same property, but generally smaller properties (by African standards) I saw would have one or the other.

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#5608844 - 02/19/15 05:41 PM Re: Bushbuck? [Re: nsmike]
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Originally Posted By: nsmike
Originally Posted By: fvh40
What happened with the excess stock then?

A lot of time it becomes food for the carnivores.
What I have been told is. The zoos do not own all the animals. Some of the animals are owned by individuals and are on loan to the zoo. the individual who owns the animals gets a certain percentage of the offspring and the zoo gets the rest. The zoo cannot sell to an individual but the person that actually owns the animals can. That is how an individual can buy animals from zoos. I was told this by Harwood at Circle H when I bought a surplus Nubian Ibex Kid from him. Hopefully it is true. The Ibex looks really good so either way it worked out good for me.
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