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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: jshouse]
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12/11/14 07:05 PM
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surely someone can find the numbers on how many AR tickets have been written. someone, find it.
of course the state gets the fines but i doubt that getting a few thousand dollars from a ticket was the reason behind the change. If you're gonna make that argument, then quit barking orders and you find the dadgum numbers. I gree that it's probably not the only reason for the change but it could very well be a portion of it.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/11/14 07:11 PM
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too much effort, and what if it provided enough info to end this argument? we cant have that.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/11/14 07:13 PM
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I never said they made the rule for the revenue. It was stated that they don't get any money from it and that's simply not true. I would love to see some figures on that. I bet the dollar amount would be surprising for most people.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/11/14 07:25 PM
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I don't why it matters where fine money goes? Most likely into their general fund anyway. Don't get trigger happy and you have little to worry about. Trigger happy is probably why AR's started in the 1st place in East Texas. May want to read this article to get re-acquainted with the reasons behind AR's. http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2014/oct/ed_1_antlers/index.phtmlThere is no doubt TPW has their own, complete interest in AR's Will some bucks fall through the cracks, of course, but overall the herd is getting older.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: Western]
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12/11/14 08:15 PM
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Don't get trigger happy and you have little to worry about. Trigger happy is probably why AR's started in the 1st place in East Texas. If being trigger happy means shooting any legal buck you wanted to, then who would have been the unhappy hunters back then that wanted ARs started? It wouldn't have been the trigger happy hunters who legally filled their tags and freezers each season. Apparently there were enough deer in East Texas pre-ARs for a hunter to get trigger happy with in the first place.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/11/14 08:37 PM
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Bet that's not genetic. Judge him based on good side
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/11/14 08:43 PM
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AR is about the money...trophy bucks equal more interest from moneyed hunters...deep pockets that are willing to pay higher lease fees to kill that big antlered buck...big antlers potentially draw out of state hunters which equal more revenue for out of state licenses. Please explain how AR has improved the quality of the venison ? If AR works why doesn't TPWD ban killing any buck over 13" for 5 years ? That would remove the inferior antler genetics because the smaller bucks would be killed therefore they would be removed from the breeding pool. Again how does a greater than 13" spread improve the table quality of the venison ??????
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/11/14 09:25 PM
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Is there anything preventing someone who shoots a non-AR compliant buck from just putting on his log that he shot it in an AR county?
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: Tye]
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12/11/14 09:42 PM
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More than likely a pedicel/body injury. He will more than likely return to normal next year I'm with Tye. That funky right side may be due to injury, rather than to genes.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
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12/11/14 09:52 PM
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Where I live antlers are normally lil baskets. With the restrictions that cuts down on the meat in the freezer.. When the bucks are 5 or so they still have lil baskets. Very bad gene pools. This year----a nice 10 pointer wondered over. Funny thing is 1/4 mile from me we see large racks. The lay of the land is no difference. I don't believe it. Gilmer produces stud football players, the best this side of north Tyler. Somethin' in the water? Somethin' in the soil? Somethin' in mama's home cookin'? Everything should be in place in Upshur County for deer that look like elk, ARs or no ARs. Just sayin', Hag.....
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: Curly]
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12/11/14 11:32 PM
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Don't get trigger happy and you have little to worry about. Trigger happy is probably why AR's started in the 1st place in East Texas. If being trigger happy means shooting any legal buck you wanted to, then who would have been the unhappy hunters back then that wanted ARs started? It wouldn't have been the trigger happy hunters who legally filled their tags and freezers each season. Apparently there were enough deer in East Texas pre-ARs for a hunter to get trigger happy with in the first place. Didn't read the article did you? it is about raising the age structure of the bucks, not in growing bigger antler, that just is a byproduct of increased age survival.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: Western]
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12/11/14 11:54 PM
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Don't get trigger happy and you have little to worry about. Trigger happy is probably why AR's started in the 1st place in East Texas. If being trigger happy means shooting any legal buck you wanted to, then who would have been the unhappy hunters back then that wanted ARs started? It wouldn't have been the trigger happy hunters who legally filled their tags and freezers each season. Apparently there were enough deer in East Texas pre-ARs for a hunter to get trigger happy with in the first place. Didn't read the article did you? it is about raising the age structure of the bucks, not in growing bigger antler, that just is a byproduct of increased age survival. Yep, it has absolutely nothing to do with growing larger antlers and everything to do with allowing bucks to age. That's why they give you an extra tag that 95% of the time can only be used on a yearling buck. Heck, I can now kill 2 yearling bucks legally if I want to. Sounds like you have it figured out.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: BowSlayer]
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12/12/14 12:52 AM
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Yep, it has absolutely nothing to do with growing larger antlers and everything to do with allowing bucks to age. That's why they give you an extra tag that 95% of the time can only be used on a yearling buck. Heck, I can now kill 2 yearling bucks legally if I want to. Sounds like you have it figured out. I'm not in an AR county so I don't know whether they are good or bad, I have no experience in those counties. I do know I'd be frustrated if I were constantly seeing 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 old deer that didn't meet ARs. Because in my 6 years of hunting in Fisher County, I can honestly say I've only seen 1 deer from the blind that was over 5 1/2 and I happened to shoot him. In addition I only get pictures of very few that I believe are 4 1/2 and older. So I think it is a bit much to expect the public to only shoot 5 1/2 year old deer and older. I tend to believe going by width only will allow deer to get older, but will also result in people shooting the 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 year old deer with the better genetics. At least that is what the results were in Louisiana when they implemented antler restrictions. Horn length at each age group actually decreased. But I seriously doubt they "WANT" you to kill yearling spikes. I tend to believe the purpose of them allowing you to shoot spikes is for when people discover that the doe they shot had small spikes that broke the skin. I think the intention of the doe/spike season is for accidents, not for people to go out and shoot yearling spikes.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: Western]
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12/12/14 01:42 AM
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Don't get trigger happy and you have little to worry about. Trigger happy is probably why AR's started in the 1st place in East Texas. If being trigger happy means shooting any legal buck you wanted to, then who would have been the unhappy hunters back then that wanted ARs started? It wouldn't have been the trigger happy hunters who legally filled their tags and freezers each season. Apparently there were enough deer in East Texas pre-ARs for a hunter to get trigger happy with in the first place. Didn't read the article did you? it is about raising the age structure of the bucks, not in growing bigger antler, that just is a byproduct of increased age survival. I read what you said about East Texas being trigger happy, so if you read what I said, what you said about trigger happy East Texas was all I was responding to.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/12/14 01:47 AM
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I have seen better bucks around mills county lot of small tracks of land ton of hunters. Good typical genetics down there and starting to show with slowing down the shooting.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: BowSlayer]
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12/12/14 01:48 AM
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Don't get trigger happy and you have little to worry about. Trigger happy is probably why AR's started in the 1st place in East Texas. If being trigger happy means shooting any legal buck you wanted to, then who would have been the unhappy hunters back then that wanted ARs started? It wouldn't have been the trigger happy hunters who legally filled their tags and freezers each season. Apparently there were enough deer in East Texas pre-ARs for a hunter to get trigger happy with in the first place. Didn't read the article did you? it is about raising the age structure of the bucks, not in growing bigger antler, that just is a byproduct of increased age survival. Yep, it has absolutely nothing to do with growing larger antlers and everything to do with allowing bucks to age. That's why they give you an extra tag that 95% of the time can only be used on a yearling buck. Heck, I can now kill 2 yearling bucks legally if I want to. Sounds like you have it figured out. They all do bro.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/12/14 02:29 PM
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I think I need to call 911 for a whambulence for all you crybabies. You could always hunt Oklahoma and enjoy that 2 week gun season.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/12/14 02:37 PM
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I've decided I'm going to flip to the Pro AR side. So from this point forward.. screw the kids, screw the elderly, screw the guy that just wants to feed his family, and screw the guy that works his tail off all year and only gets to hunt for a weekend or two! If they want meat they can just go to the grocery store. We need to grow large antlers to match our large man parts and everything else is just stupid.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/12/14 02:38 PM
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If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
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large man parts Fun everywhere Smh
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: rifleman]
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12/12/14 02:46 PM
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large man parts Fun everywhere Smh
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: nogeese]
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12/12/14 02:49 PM
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If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
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I have seen better bucks around mills county lot of small tracks of land ton of hunters. Good typical genetics down there and starting to show with slowing down the shooting. I've hunted Mills County for 35 years. It's no coincidence that I've taken my top three bucks in the last 5 years. ARs
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: Barcelona Rick]
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AR is about the money...trophy bucks equal more interest from moneyed hunters...deep pockets that are willing to pay higher lease fees to kill that big antlered buck...big antlers potentially draw out of state hunters which equal more revenue for out of state licenses. Please explain how AR has improved the quality of the venison ? If AR works why doesn't TPWD ban killing any buck over 13" for 5 years ? That would remove the inferior antler genetics because the smaller bucks would be killed therefore they would be removed from the breeding pool. Again how does a greater than 13" spread improve the table quality of the venison ??????
rick By that logic every yearling and a lot of two year olds would die. Good management plan there rick
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Re: another reason AR's are bad!!!
[Re: BowSlayer]
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I've decided I'm going to flip to the Pro AR side. So from this point forward.. screw the kids, screw the elderly, screw the guy that just wants to feed his family, and screw the guy that works his tail off all year and only gets to hunt for a weekend or two! If they want meat they can just go to the grocery store. We need to grow large antlers to match our large man parts and everything else is just stupid. What about the people who work their tails off to purchase land or a lease and want to enjoy good hunting but couldn't because every neighbor around them was a shoot'em up joe?
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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